The worst thing about online learning is that everything has become a video. Every code tutorial. Every design tutorial. Nobody actually writes out a guide anymore.

It's just "hey guys welcome to my tutorial" and watching 10 minutes of content that mostly isn't relevant...

@Daojoan yes, that's so annoying. I simply can't "CTRL+F" in a video to find stuff...
@kamikater @Daojoan check your inbox, Google AI labs might want to invite you to some new research on this wonderful idea šŸ‘€

@kamikater @Daojoan

That’s an idea! If only YouTube was owned by a company whose goal is to make accessible the world’s data!

There’s no reason we couldn’t just CTRL-F the auto generated captions & visual text contents of a video.

@jamesjm @kamikater @Daojoan Isn't this a feature of archive.org, certainly with their news videos I think. Youtube-dl had this feature to download subtitles, and there's a program called google2srt on sourceforge which I have not used, but there's a superuser.com comment about it
@kamikater @Daojoan If it's on YouTube, what I'll do is bring up the automated transcript and CTRL+F to see if I can find what I'm looking for there. It's not ideal, but it saves me some time.
@e_ardincaple @Daojoan Automatic transcripts don't handle dialects/accents very well, though.
@kamikater @Daojoan Yep, very true! It's not helpful in every case, but it can be worth a try.
@Daojoan @kamikater it is still possible to use ctrl+f on youtube, but somewhat inconvenient. First click ā€œshow descriptionā€, then scroll to the bottom and click ā€œshow transcriptā€. then you can ctrl+f in the generated transcript and click the text to go to the relevant part of the video
@Daojoan ....and its spread to every kind of learning....give me a written instruction, recipe, etc every (well, most every) time!

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I hate watching them. I learn best from print and it’s far faster than having to wait while some narcissist bloviates before tediously going through their routine.

@Daojoan

Not everything going on a screen must look like a TV show.

@Daojoan Yeah, I hate having to watch YouTube videos just for simple things. I want a CTRL+F-able guide where I can do everything at my own pace, copy/paste stuff I need, be able to write everything down as it is shown, etc. I learn best by hearing and reading, but I want to be able to speedrun, get what I need to know and go.
@Daojoan and then there's a whole generation of children who grew up watching educational videos on 2x speed who cannot stomach a single page of a middle-school level textbook T_T was it a conspiracy to drop education levels, or did humans invent such stupidity voluntarily?
@nina_kali_nina
It's easier to put ads in videos
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@phi1997 @nina_kali_nina @Daojoan
I think its also strongly related to the now growing generation that has never been used a personal computer with keyboard in their life

They are growing up natively with mobile devices that you just cant seriously type more than a few words on a tiny screen or edit photos, but that completely naturally bring back and front cameras to record what you do while speaking about it

@Daojoan Drives me bloody insane.

No, I don't want to watch a 10 minute video when finding the information I want in a text would take less than half that. No, I don't want to watch you fumble your way through a poorly rehearsed process. No, I don't want to 'like and subscribe'.

Unfortunately, with the rise of Medium and similar companies, textual information is also becoming less accessible. But give me text over a video any day of the week.

@Daojoan ..that's the bad side, the good thing is that there is a video for almost every question, my children (teens) learn a lot from watching videos about math and physics subjects, in addition to their class and reading material. In dutch there are many high quality channels for that.
@Daojoan Second, enthusiastically. Recorded video is a terrible medium for reference material.
@Daojoan Totally agree. I can read much faster than watching a video which takes forever to get to the point

@Daojoan it's even worse at work. Many compliance training (i.e. ethics, security) can be distilled into simple concepts: don't be an idiot, don't be a d*ck, don't do stupid things. If you do you're out.

No. They want you to watch a video. And since it is mandatory you have to sit and watch.

I just set it to play and mute the audio. If you've done one of these, you probably have seen them all.

@Daojoan this has extended into corporate training as well.
@Daojoan great news is we can use LLMs to summarize it now
@Daojoan And videos are nearly always ad-hoc, ad-libbed presentations with no organization or revision. (Edit: third attempt to get autocorrect to accept some Latin.)
@ptrourke @Daojoan the inventor of autocorrect can go to hello! I turned it off on all devices and software.

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Oh yes I need to see hard copy to learn, Listening in the backgroud while reading useful, but not as my primary method. Probably why I did so crap at uni

@Daojoan @TCMuffin Quite a can of worms there. My main gripe is the wildly varying quality of the content and the amount of clueless people out there writing tutorials. For most stuff these days I try to stick to documentation and conference presentations. No one seems to write books any more.

@bcaligari @Daojoan

And on videos mode of them talk v.e.r.y s.l.o.w.l.y as if they’re addressing a toddler or non-native speaking English 🤦

I have to play them at least 1.25 x 🤷

@TCMuffin @Daojoan I don't mind it as much on training portal videos as long as ... yes ... they can be sped up as necessary. I like speeding up/down and stopping as necessary as I work through stuff. Here's a couple of videos I rated very very highly:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKPlPJyQrt4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6kdp27TYZs

@Daojoan reading tutorials can help you in these kinds of scenarios.
@Daojoan
Word. Word. Word. Word. Fucking Word.
@Daojoan even crochet and quilting videos.
Just write it down for me
@Tesshutchy honestly *especially* any kind of crafting video. If I’m working on something like that I want to be immersed in it, not pulled out by a video!
@Daojoan exactly. And often, there are no written instructions because they want clicks on their channel, which I get, but it's not considering the folks who will actually use the pattern

@Tesshutchy
@Daojoan

I really like it when there is a video tutorial for a crochet project! (But only if there is ALSO a written pattern)

@artemis @Daojoan agreed! videos are really helpful if I don't quite understand the written instructions, so it's nice when they offer that, but I can't work on video alone, I work too fast for that šŸ˜…
@Daojoan @[email protected] As a learning and development professional, I agree. There are so many more learning modalities than just video.
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A serious failure in online learning as far as accessibility requirements.
@Daojoan Oh how much I hate that. Search engines are poisoned with it. Whenever I search something and expect the actual documentation / manual page to show up, but instead get a page full of YouTube videos. What a mess.
@Daojoan the young folks love videos. I still publish articles and ebooks though for the reasons you mention.
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And they seem to always be at the top of the search results.

@Daojoan Maybe this can sometimes help: https://github.com/obra/Youtube2Webpage

PS: Am currently working on the new release of a guide for one of our products. No videos far and wide! šŸ˜‰

GitHub - obra/Youtube2Webpage: I learn much better from text than from videos

I learn much better from text than from videos. Contribute to obra/Youtube2Webpage development by creating an account on GitHub.

GitHub
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Videos can’t easily be indexed to the point where you can just look up a thing inside and go to it
Videos also haven’t got accessibility control over the content, such as making any text shown inside the video bigger or more legible when I want
Video also hasn’t got any idea whether I’ve understood a thing, it keeps going (unless I use pause and replay, but that’s such an imprecise waste of time that I’ve entirely lost track of what I was even watching by then)
Translation is a hack, if it exists, which it mostly doesn’t

Video is retrograde to hypertext, it isn’t anywhere near hypertext yet, it’s considerably far behind
@u0421793 @Daojoan Not for training videos for work. If you do not watch the entire 20 minute video, you do not get credit. Fuck you! I’ll turn it on and go get the mail, park the dog, eat lunch, whatever. I don’t have time for your two-bit productions that try to be funny but just pisses me off for the stupidity of it all.

@Daojoan The noise is quite comparable in print media. Everyone is a content creator. It has been engineered as a feasible and viable lifestyle by Si valley. So everyone is out there hustling, adding more noise to the world.

The defence of this noise is that one piece of content that helped you solve a mundane problem you didn't want to understand and/or spend time dealing with.

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"10 minutes of content"

If only we were so lucky for the vacuous talks to be that short. 😄

@Daojoan I prefer video tutorials for most things. That said, be clear and get to the point. Really not interested in hearing instructor BS with followers or talk about the weather. Really appreciate time stamps and notations.
@Daojoan So annoying. Extra hate for the folks who don't have captions so it's even harder to skim and see if there's content I want to watch at normal speed. "Don't forget to hit like and subscribe!"

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Agree. There are some things where ā€œshow meā€ works better. But most of the time I’m just looking for a summary and the list of steps to take (ie, the recipe)!

@Daojoan or ten minutes of ads for a vpn software ... we've actually experienced this ... someone put out a python tutorial and it was mostly ads about a vpn service. thanks for the info ... but I didn't learn anything about python.
@Daojoan That's why I try do my stuff in HTML. It has also videos, but only stuff that I think is worth it - with a summary how long and what to expect. I don't do them, however, usually I curate relevant topics. I have to learn/research a lot of things and can't remember all, that's why I am writing it down (blogs/tipps/lists), because it's obvious that search engines and platforms hide actively relevant stuff and pivot people to highly monitized, distractive content, which also is low quality
@Daojoan Which genius can make a #AI that creates a written tutorial (with proper formatting and all) from a video source then?

@Daojoan honestly, been moaning about this for almost a decade now. but i understand why, and unfortunately i don't see it changing as it's a lot easier making money with a video than it is with text due to the reach of the medium overall.

gone are the days you got paid a living wage by the word (especially thanks to googles algorithms being entirely unable to discern between genuine content and SEO).

i don't see any solution to this short of killing youtube's money mill incentive and SEO.

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Oh my god yes - and they're always aimed at such a broad audience. So trying to learn about using "the salesforce API" means sitting through "here's how you code in Python".

@Daojoan

Totally agree…I still produce written guides (illustrated with screenshots where appropriate) for my clients!

One client even has an A4 folder stuffed full of my guides written during the ~20 years I’ve worked with her…it’s called her ā€œHOW TO DO!!ā€ file šŸ˜‚

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I totally agree - a waste of time, reading (especially instructions or directions) is so much quicker.
@Daojoan nothing better than watching a 10 minute video only to realize it didn't solve your problem
@Daojoan my ADHD absolutely HAAAAAATES video training. Particularly when the host is unscripted and puts in a lot of filler. I just zone right out. I need lots of hands on practice, not watching. Walk me through things and let me hit buttons.