Samppa KytömäkiSep 30, 2023
JosephMenn
Holy crap. https://balkaninsight.com/2023/09/29/europol-sought-unlimited-data-access-in-online-child-sexual-abuse-regulation/
Europol Sought Unlimited Data Access in Online Child Sexual Abuse Regulation

According to minutes released under FOI, the European police agency pushed for unfiltered access to data that would be obtained under a proposed new scanning system for detecting child sexual abuse images on messaging apps, with a view, experts say, to training AI algorithms.

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Sep 29, 2023 at 7:23pmWeb
Show threadNick Selby Sep 29, 2023
@JosephMenn when the fbi started asking for back doors I wrote that it was akin to them asking for a copy of the key to my house, you know, just in case they ever might need it. This sounds similar in stupid.
Show threadOggieSep 29, 2023

@fuzztech @JosephMenn

Yay more dystopian stuff.

Also reminded me of this-
https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/backdoors

Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Backdoors

Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Backdoors

Show threadDennySep 29, 2023
@JosephMenn not just Crap, that is a real fucking thing!
Show threadOliver JensenSep 29, 2023
@JosephMenn Why would they redact the name of the speaker? Surely that information could at some point be useful.
Show threadcozydeerSep 29, 2023
@ojensen @JosephMenn no no, this only applies to us peons, not the big men in charge who are always virtuous and do the right thing
Show threadDark Sage Torunka Sep 29, 2023

@JosephMenn The Europol letter is a very good example of what I call the "CSAM wedge":

1. Because CSAM is extremely fucked, we need extraordinary powers to find people sharing it

2. We cannot tolerate restrictions on what images are searched because non-CSAM can catch pedophiles

3. We cannot tolerate restrictions on what the searches are used for because we have to enforce all laws, not just CSAM laws

4. Panopticon

Show threadDark Sage Torunka Sep 29, 2023

@JosephMenn The cruel irony of the CSAM wedge is that perpetual surveillance is a form of victimization on par with that caused by CSAM.

Creeps already abuse item trackers to stalk their victims, and the kind of panopticon that the people want to build to stop CSAM would be ABSOLUTELY PERFECT for a pedophile in law enforcement to use to victimize children.

Show thread⁂ Fish Id WardrobeSep 29, 2023
@JosephMenn "The name of the speaker is redacted." --- hypocritical
Show threadJerry 🦙💝🦙Sep 29, 2023
@JosephMenn the hypocrisy of the EU w/r/t personal data is frustrating
Show threadevolbugSep 29, 2023

@jerry @JosephMenn

rules for thee but not for me

Show threadHans van ZijstSep 29, 2023
@JosephMenn Some people at Europol watched "Das Leben der Anderen" and thought "that's a good idea!".

Damn, I can hear Orwell shouting from his grave: "I fucking told you so!"
Show threadMatt PalmerSep 29, 2023
@JosephMenn @SwiftOnSecurity "we can find a crime in *anything*"
Show threadVery Human RobotSep 29, 2023
@JosephMenn
Is this the same EU that also doesn't want customers to be able to opt into sending their data to servers in the US?
Show threadSuburban DruidSep 29, 2023
@JosephMenn Apparently the speaker’s *name* is not useful, otherwise it would have been included here.
Show threadbubbajetSep 30, 2023
@JosephMenn This is why studying liberal arts and history should be required.
Show threadDanSep 30, 2023
@JosephMenn I don't think I've ever seen someone begging to be doxxed more than this person.
You know, because all his information MIGHT be useful.
Show threadJohn LooneySep 30, 2023
@JosephMenn "All data is useful and should be passed on to law enforcement, there should be no filtering by the [EU] Centre because even an innocent image might contain information that could at some point be useful to law enforcement,” the minutes state." - aaaaah!
Show threadPiere WoehlSep 30, 2023
@JosephMenn @SwiftOnSecurity oh yeah, if we don’t see something to charge you with now, we might have in the future and therefore your chats with your bubble is so important to us, clearly we would be sufficiently screening all chats in real time to validate malicious intend, and we use AI because we would need our populations worth of employees to do that if we wouldn’t.
15Y of Vorratsdatenspeicherung in Germany with no real value to investigative efforts didn’t show the EU that it’s worthless
Show threadScottOct 5, 2023
@JosephMenn "The name of the speaker is redacted" is the most ironic part