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His friend Bobby kinda stole it:

“Art is how we decorate space, music is how we decorate time.” – Jean-Michel Basquiat

@916string Thanks for this! I hadn‘t heard about Jean-Michel Basquiat, it was an interesting read.

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@916string @manikrathee oh, interesting - I'm going digging and I can't find a citation for Jean-Michel Basquiat (or Alex Hutchings), but I can find a citation for Frank Zappa (or possibly his coauthor Peter Occhiogrosso) in The Real Frank Zappa Book:

A composer's job involves the decoration of fragments of time. Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid.

Would love if a real quote investigator could dig into this and find something more definite...

@Packbat @manikrathee

Zappa is how I knew the quote. I saw the Zappa quote on the place that shall not be named (r/Zappa) and one of the replies had the Basquiat quote. I Googled it and verified the Basquiat quote.

Zappa was probably expounding on Basquiat.

And, of course, a lot of people have quotes attributed to them that aren’t theirs.

@916string @manikrathee a*ha!* so where did Basquiat say it?

@Packbat @manikrathee

No idea. And it could be that he stole it from Zappa. But that exact quote has been attributed to Basquiat and the one about paying bills to Zappa.

I did try to find who said it first, but can’t really find anything definitive. Then again, I spent about 5 minutes before giving up.

Like you said, this requires a real researcher. I prefer to keep my amateur standing.

@916string yeah, legit

our rule of thumb is: if a quote should have a source - like, a specific interview, book, diary entry, whatever - and it doesn't have that source, then we haven't confirmed it yet

and, like, it makes sense to us from other quote investigations we've seen that the Zappa quote would metamorphosize into the Twitter screenshot quote by way of people misremembering a quote into being a more polished form of itself ... but it could also have gone the other way, by Zappa referencing a quote to say something else

hence the need for a real sleuth

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And Basquiat was nowhere near the first. Stockhausen started writing about this idea in the 50s. Here's a somewhat wordy article from 1970 with some of these ideas:

https://monoskop.org/images/c/c3/Stockhausen_Karlheinz_1972_1989_Four_Criteria_of_Electronic_Music.pdf

I'm fairly certain that Ussachevsky also wrote about this at about the same time, but I can't find much of his writing online...

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Nice one, thanks! @Packbat and I were discussing who said it first. I had no idea.

@916string @manikrathee @Packbat I'm not even sure that Stockhausen was the first! I simply read everything he wrote at some point.

He was one of the very greatest composers of the twentieth century. If you ever get a chance to see bits of his seven day long opera Aus Licht, it will blow your mind, even if you hate opera and avant garde music...

@TomSwirly @manikrathee @Packbat

I never heard of him until your mention. I looked into him a bit. I'm listening to Gruppen, pour trois orchestres now. Fascinating stuff!

@916string @manikrathee @Packbat

I don't like the orchestral music as much, but after seeing one night of his opera, I'm prepared to re-evaluate.

My favorites are Stimmung (for six singers), Kontakte, Gesang der Jünglinge, and of course the monumental Hymnen.

@manikrathee That friend Bobby stole it from Jean-Michel Basquiat.
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This sounds like what Ellison wrote at the end of *Invisible Man*.
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@manikrathee that's a fun idea but music also has a spatial element- where you are in relation to the source(s) of the sound has a huge impact on your sonic experience
@manikrathee @Ronathan I love this and, often, decorate time with music, even if it's just me, singing, whistling, drumming on something, whatever!
@manikrathee Then Opera is how you decorate space-time.
@manikrathee Nice! Actually, songs are timely ephemeral (time past, song gone), while decoration is spatially ephemeral (space traversed, decoration left behind). There's something here, really
@manikrathee Art and music is not decoration

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Sorry dude. I wasn't trying to shit on your post or anything. I just happened to know that quote and thought you should know.

@manikrathee nah. Music is how we decorate silence. 🎶
@manikrathee I've seen that credited to Jean-Michel Basquiat.
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Books are how we decorate personalities.
@jcutting @manikrathee 🤔books/texts are how we decorate the future?
@manikrathee oh my god this makes too much sense
@manikrathee cc @dabeaz i havent checked but i reckon this observation goes back to Immanuel Kant. Bet you 50p.
@hjwp @dabeaz idk man, sounds like it was Bobby

@manikrathee @wendynather Love this.

A good (and philosophical) friend of mine once said that music is to the emotions what language or mathematics are to reasoning. As a sometime classical musician myself, that made an impression on me.

@manikrathee Very well put, and goes well with Robert Fripp's oft-quoted observation that music is the cup that holds the wine of silence.
@manikrathee ya boy Bobby be smokin some shit
@manikrathee oops-a-daisy, I think a new religion may have just arrived
@manikrathee radio/computers/electronics are how we decorate energy?
@manikrathee “…nobody ever said to Van Gogh, 'Paint a Starry Night again, man!' “ Joni Mitchell, Miles of Aisles
@manikrathee load up, load up, load up. Brings us back to 1973. https://youtu.be/-tqSIpr0T0w?si=mt_Qe4MrH-azhJ3u
10cc - Rubber Bullets (TOTP 1973)

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Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid.
(The Real Frank Zappa Book, 1990)

@manikrathee sounds like something Bobby Hill would say (and thats a good thing)

@manikrathee It's likely that Stockhausen was the first musician to actually express this idea, though using very different words.

He wrote about this during the 50s, and then his first piece demonstrating this was Kontakte, which still sounds like a million bucks almost 65 years later.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kontakte

Kontakte - Wikipedia

@manikrathee hmm got me thinking. Is it deep or dumb? I'm going to need some time, meditation, and music to ponder this. lol