“Nestle says slavery reporting requirements could cost customers.”

Not to be a joyless communist, but if we can’t have chocolate without slavery, we shouldn’t have chocolate.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/nestle-says-slavery-reporting-requirements-could-cost-customers-20180816-p4zy5l.html

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#slavery #chocoate #capitalism #communism #socialism #economy

Nestle says slavery reporting requirements could cost customers

Australia's government has proposed to make it mandatory for big businesses to report on how they're combating modern slavery.

The Sydney Morning Herald

@bitbear We have been buying #fairTrade #chocolate from Equal Exchange for many years now. They have a good variety and descriptions of their growers.

https://shop.equalexchange.coop/collections/chocolate

Chocolate

@old_hippie @bitbear

Yep. We can have chocolate without slavery, just not quite as much of it not quite as cheap.

But Nestle doesn't care about slavery as long as there's a buck to be made off it. Priorities.

@Infrogmation @old_hippie @bitbear Oh, chocolate can still be cheep, it’s just that Nestle won’t make as much profits, which is fine.
Asbjørn Ulsberg (@[email protected])

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@Infrogmation @old_hippie @bitbear same could be said of seafood, but people gotta have their cheap shrimp
@bitbear We also shouldn't take their word for how much it will cost. Corporations always exaggerate costs to the public, and profits to investors. It's part of their nature.
Asbjørn Ulsberg (@[email protected])

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@bitbear
Bread and roses. We can have fair pay AND chocolate.
@sshann
@bitbear I boycott Nestle since about 10 years. And even when I had a restaurant.
@bitbear Also: if we do want to have chocolate without slavery, we should pay smallholder farmers more for their cocoa.
@bitbear imo leftists should be careful when talking outside our own ingroup to not come off as leading with "we probably gotta outlaw chocolate". we know the behavior of companies like nestle needs to be eliminated, permanently, full stop. and more broadly that we can't trust markets to not "optimize" towards slavery and other forms of exploitation. more people on this planet than not will agree with our arguments if presented clearly, starting with "slavery is unacceptable".

@jplebreton Yeah, absolutely.

It’s just more a general observation from a capitalist market perspective that if a certain product can’t be made affordable without breaking the law or causing enormous exploitation, it doesn’t have the right to exist.

@bitbear Fine, willing to pay for that
@bitbear this is from 2018. Did it pass or was Nestlé able to weasel out of it?

@GreatBigTable It seems like “Modern Slavery Act” was written into Australian law the same year.

https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/C2018A00153

@bitbear I swear to God at some point our obsession with the Marvel Cinematic Universe has crossed us over into that dimension when we now have to deal with the satirically comic evil of a multinational food conglomerate out here saying they can’t calculate their use of child and sex slavery because that would make them charge us more for food.

@bitbear

I helped organize the local Nestlé boycott in the 1970s, over their deadly promotion of infant milk formula over breast milk.

Every few months, they come up with another atrocity like this.

They're thoroughly, systemically evil.

@adwright

Asbjørn Ulsberg (@[email protected])

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@bitbear
True, though I've had 45 years to learn the list and fortunately I don't buy much of the kinds of things they sell.

I also don't know about store-brand goods. I'm sure the grocery chains don't have the facilities to make everything they brand; it could come from Nestlé for all I know.

@adwright

@bitbear

So it looks like the Aussie's passed the proposed legislation and it's been in place since 2019.

I wonder what Nestle ended up reporting, and whether it had any affect on sales of its crappy, half-assed chocolate.

@gwhilts Yep, “Modern Slavery Act 2018” seems to have been written into law.

Regarding the cost of slavery reporting: Good question. I suppose they were able to absorb the increased costs into the massive inflation they’ve been contributing to since then.

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Asbjørn Ulsberg (@[email protected])

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Icosahedron
@gwhilts @bitbear also interesting that according to the article Nestle pushed for financial penalties for not reporting. It raises lots of questions for me - have they been reporting? Have they borne the cost, as they put it? Fines often just become an accepted cost to do business, especially if revenue is unaffected (that is, consumers don't care enough to change their buying habits)
@bitbear
Nestle is a company that needs to be shut down and its executives need to be jailed.
@bitbear "Nestle, owner of more than 2000 brands in 189 countries, has told a senate committee that Australia's proposed mandatory reporting requirements could add 'cost and time' to businesses and suppliers 'which will need to be borne somewhere'." Because heaven forfend a multi billion dollar company take a hit to their profit margin. These companies should be forced into using profits to pay for their shenanigans instead of raising prices (not that we buy Nestle products).

@FlorriePuddlefoot Definitely. Especially when you consider corporate profits being responsible for over 53% of the inflation we’ve seen the last few years.

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Asbjørn Ulsberg (@[email protected])

Attached: 2 images “Corporate profits have contributed disproportionately to inflation.” 1979—2019 - Corporate profits: 11.4% - Labour cost: 61.8% 2020 Q2—2021 Q4: - Corporate profits: 53.9% - Labour cost: 7.9% Tell me again how unionisation and increased wages is the main contributor to inflation. https://www.epi.org/blog/corporate-profits-have-contributed-disproportionately-to-inflation-how-should-policymakers-respond/ #inflation #economics #economy #profits #labor #labour #cost #corporate #profit

Icosahedron
@bitbear #fairtrade #chocolate is available from Equal Exchange (as already mentioned), Alter Eco, Divine, Endangered Species, Tony's, and so many more! A market like Thrive Market (online) might help make some of those a bit more accessible.
@bitbear Aside from it being an old article/law, and granting that nestle is a shit company in general, I wonder how many commenters read the article? Nestle pointed out that the extra costs were due to various different national laws across the world, but agreed with the goals, and then argued FOR strict enforcement of the new law. Passing on costs to consumers is what businesses do, it doesn't mean pointing it out is a refusal or a threat.

@TimPurdum Perhaps because:

1. Nestlé is one of the most evil companies on the planet.
2. Increased costs are only passed on to the consumers; shareholders remain unaffected.

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Asbjørn Ulsberg (@[email protected])

Attached: 2 images “Corporate profits have contributed disproportionately to inflation.” 1979—2019 - Corporate profits: 11.4% - Labour cost: 61.8% 2020 Q2—2021 Q4: - Corporate profits: 53.9% - Labour cost: 7.9% Tell me again how unionisation and increased wages is the main contributor to inflation. https://www.epi.org/blog/corporate-profits-have-contributed-disproportionately-to-inflation-how-should-policymakers-respond/ #inflation #economics #economy #profits #labor #labour #cost #corporate #profit

Icosahedron
@bitbear I didn't and don't contest any of that. I'm saying we shouldn't auto-read what we want into news articles that don't say certain things, which some commenters are doing, assuming nestle was against the new rules.
@TimPurdum I think it’s on par and what they deserve for being the scum that they are. Perpetrators of crimes against humanity don’t get the benefit of the doubt. They are guilty until proven otherwise.
@bitbear critical reading is still important to be a well informed person IMO. There are plenty of completely ridiculously false things folks believe because they never bothered to read or question.
@TimPurdum On principle I agree with you. In the case of Nestlé, they deserve every bit of shit thrown their way — true or not.

@bitbear buy fairtrade, gots goods or similar from poorer countries since almost any product made in let's say Africa or South America or Asia has a pretty dark history with weak legislation for human rights.

Coffee☕, tea🫖, fruit🍊🍋🍌🍍🥭🥝, flowers 🌹, cocoa🍫, cotton, spices🌶️, sugar etcetc.

Prominent Anti-Trump Attorney Asks the Supreme Court to Let Corporations off the Hook for Child Slavery

Neal Katyal’s legal theory on behalf of Nestle and Cargill might be too extreme even for this ultraconservative court.

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@12thRITS @bitbear Thank you for this; I came here to say it, too.
@bitbear You should take a look at some of the things Reddit has to say about Nestle. It’s Reddit at it’s most accurate and brutal — and that’s saying something. There’s a whole sub called FuckNestle. The sub description reads like this: A place to expose Nestle’s crimes against humanity.
@bitbear Definitely not Nestlé chocolate, or any other company that would resist what should be a relatively simple task

@bitbear imagine if slavery cost Nestlé?

oh, wait, no, that would be the opposite of slavery then.

@bitbear Corporate response: "If chocolate without slavery reduces our profit margins by a penny, then three cheers for slavery!"
Asbjørn Ulsberg (@[email protected])

Attached: 2 images “Corporate profits have contributed disproportionately to inflation.” 1979—2019 - Corporate profits: 11.4% - Labour cost: 61.8% 2020 Q2—2021 Q4: - Corporate profits: 53.9% - Labour cost: 7.9% Tell me again how unionisation and increased wages is the main contributor to inflation. https://www.epi.org/blog/corporate-profits-have-contributed-disproportionately-to-inflation-how-should-policymakers-respond/ #inflation #economics #economy #profits #labor #labour #cost #corporate #profit

Icosahedron
@jobsboils @bitbear Think about this. They knew all along…
@bitbear make that cheap chocolate - there are many who pay for ethical harvesting.... chose them
@bitbear
how about paying the laborers?

@margo_strong Then what should the poor shareholders do? Get less dividends? Outrageous!

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Asbjørn Ulsberg (@[email protected])

Attached: 2 images “Corporate profits have contributed disproportionately to inflation.” 1979—2019 - Corporate profits: 11.4% - Labour cost: 61.8% 2020 Q2—2021 Q4: - Corporate profits: 53.9% - Labour cost: 7.9% Tell me again how unionisation and increased wages is the main contributor to inflation. https://www.epi.org/blog/corporate-profits-have-contributed-disproportionately-to-inflation-how-should-policymakers-respond/ #inflation #economics #economy #profits #labor #labour #cost #corporate #profit

Icosahedron

@bitbear

Since the article is 5 yrs old, I searched for newers news on this topic. 2nd hit is Nestles Australia page, claiming they strongly supported the slavery reporting act from the very beginning at all stages.
😂

@TomSchmidt Haha! They sure have a unique ability to spin battles they have lost to appear like it went in their favour.

@bitbear

they pay millions $ to spin doctors and PR agencies

@bitbear it's honestly not even a hard choice, I'd much rather have more expensive chocolate, and just eat it more rarely, than have slavery chocolate?!
@bitbear this is the same company that charges £4 for vegan kitkats? Cool cool.
@bitbear In fairness we’re not going to get “it’s not ok to use people as livestock” until we get a new one true god to tell us through massive climate upheaval and unprecedented technological innovation.

@bitbear I'd love to see what the world economy would look like if we made "adjustment for modern slavery" in the same fashion we do adjustments for inflation to talk about historical prices.

The world's selling a lie to the people. Even if it wasn't socialism, how could people even know if they can envision a better system if they already believe the current one works way better than it actually does?

@arielcajar Good question. The current system is gamed, rigged and broken — that’s for sure.

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Asbjørn Ulsberg (@[email protected])

Attached: 2 images “Corporate profits have contributed disproportionately to inflation.” 1979—2019 - Corporate profits: 11.4% - Labour cost: 61.8% 2020 Q2—2021 Q4: - Corporate profits: 53.9% - Labour cost: 7.9% Tell me again how unionisation and increased wages is the main contributor to inflation. https://www.epi.org/blog/corporate-profits-have-contributed-disproportionately-to-inflation-how-should-policymakers-respond/ #inflation #economics #economy #profits #labor #labour #cost #corporate #profit

Icosahedron
@bitbear we CAN have chocolate without slavery just not massive corporate profit. And nestle is crap chocolate anyway do not buy it.