@ShutterbugDoug @dangillmor @mozilla I think you'd be better off looking for what isn't in the car. My cars don't have (builtin) Bluetooth, cell\onstar or WiFi, despite two of them being 2014 and 2017. They don't have any outside communications.

I'm very curious what electric (or even hybrid) cars 'lack' those amenities. It seems those cars have all leaned into connectivity.

@goc @dangillmor @mozilla The article is mostly making fun of privacy agreements & policies and not very usable about practical questions like that. For example, while Teslas are more than capable of collecting all kinds of information on you, as a practical matter, unless they're just outright lying, which I suppose is possible, they don't send that data off the car in most cases.

I suspect the items about sexual activity are there just because any cameras on the car might pick that up, so they're enumerating it – it is something to keep in mind, I guess?

I suspect most data selling is the same sort of data selling every other merchant does.

@jmcrookston @dangillmor Is it really the worst, though? They mostly don't send data off the car unless you opt-in or there's a crash/security event or something, and they let you delete everything associated with your account. They seem pretty upfront about what they do. (Unless they are outright lying about it, which I suppose is a possibility.) This article is mostly mocking the agreements, which I appreciate, but as far as what they actually do, it seems about what you'd expect? am I wrong?

I suspect most car makers are actually pretty good, as well. Same problems with any bush-league online merchant apply, of course – financial details stored using less-than-best-practice.

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