Sérgio Ramos
Ben BrockertTesla Europe needed a way of moving employees at their factory outside Berlin. So they did they Tesla thing, and dug a tunnel and filled it with self-driving cars.
No of course not, they got a train.
König Pittiplatsch@wikkit but the train is not electric. Shame on them.
Pascal 🇪🇺 🇺🇦@chaosrind
That is... rather silly, but still better than having all employees driving a car (likely gasoline powered).
If they cannot electrify the track soon, they could still switch to hydrogen (green!) or battery powered engines in a while.
... Or burn #eFuels. 😂
@wikkit
That is... rather silly, but still better than having all employees driving a car (likely gasoline powered).
If they cannot electrify the track soon, they could still switch to hydrogen (green!) or battery powered engines in a while.
... Or burn #eFuels. 😂
@wikkit
lily@wikkit talent 1 lmao
ENIGMATICO 
@wikkit Same thing but way more efficient and with less problems. Instead of having individual, self-autonomous cars, you have several cars hooked to another car that only goes on rails.
Ferrichrome@enigmatico @wikkit And it’s very safe, has better rolling resistance, and is cheaper for the average user. Hmm, we should look more into this amazing new tech🤔
Clint "SpamapS" Byrum@wikkit technically, it's the Boring thing to do.
matzipan
Jan Wildeboer 😷
…might work for coffee…@jwildeboer
They build individual transport means. Of course they will not invest into electrifying tracks.
Announce there will be a highspeed rail project, and they will get hyperloop :P
Wilfried Klaebe@mwfc @jwildeboer @wikkit only the last few 100m (track ref 7390) are non-electrified, track ref 6153 all the way to Erkner is. That would make it possible to use battery electric trains that charge from overhead lines. Such things exist and already run on some German lines.
Are they available on order?
The last project I read was expecting delivery in 2029
And they need trains for material as well, so electrifying it makes sense. But it is a private Track. I read we are talking about few km.
@mwfc @jwildeboer @wikkit Less than 5km, by eye: https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/52.3997/13.8034
Check
https://www.openrailwaymap.org/?style=standard&lat=52.402471240250776&lon=13.810114860534668&zoom=14
They indicate that it is under construction. So I assume they will switch and might electrify.
So renting some surplus Material doesnt sound too bad.
@wonka
I assume they just grabbed what is on the market. I doubt they do long term planning and accepting the German "ok, in 6 years, that is fine" mentality. They showed that if you throw money at problems you can speed things up (like finding contractors)
and given the transport options for goods it should really be the obvious move to go electric and not batteries.
@mwfc @jwildeboer @wikkit Non-battery electric would be even better, of course. For now, BE trains would be better than diesel, if they could somehow get some. That short a trip will have the diesel engine emit even worse because it will be too cold quite often.
@wonka
Hm?
It is planned to go to Erkner from there, which is more than the 4 km
60 Trips (I assume 30 per direction), mostly during shiftchange
https://www.rbb24.de/studiofrankfurt/wirtschaft/tesla/2023/08/tesla-shuttle-zug-erkner-gruenheide-bahn-werk-gelaende-kostenlos.html
I doubt they will not be fully warm in that timeframe.
And we really should consider the alternatives, which are Busses or private cars.
No, there is much you can argue about, but perfectionism brings you nowhere.
If they plan to switch over to electric as soon as newbuild track is electrified and having diesel in between, it is a good move.
The too often seen German alternative is: doing Nothing
I mean we talk 0 infrastructure to railaccess and going diesel with many folks.
Yes tongue in cheek is fine, but its good
@jwildeboer @wikkit
@mwfc @jwildeboer @wikkit Yes, of course diesel trains are still better than buses or even cars. But upgrading to battery trains would save emissions.
Frank Nord@wonka @mwfc @jwildeboer @wikkit Looking at the diesel train connection to Norddeich, that might take some 30(?) years to finish.
Which one?
It is electrified to Münster and Bremen?
https://www.openrailwaymap.org/?style=electrified&lat=53.09897176800468&lon=8.817901611328125&zoom=9
@mwfc @wonka @jwildeboer @wikkit Ah, ok, i just remembered to have changed trains in Esens four (?) years ago.
As long as I can remember we always went all the way from Hannover to Norddeich electric (via Bremen). That is like nearly 30 years. But my memory might be wrong.
Esens meanwhile is on another Track for other Frisian Islands (Langeog) which is not electrified and goes to Sande basicly to join the electric line from Jadeweserport to Oldenburg.
https://www.openrailwaymap.org/?style=electrified&lat=53.61817207375609&lon=7.699012756347656&zoom=11
@wonka
And this is the thing.
A not available battery cart there, and going electric in 3 years is most likely not better.
A new built battery cart and going electric in 3 years is most likely not better either
An old cart with diesel reused and going electric in 3 years is most likely the best option
You get more runtime out of build equipment
You can start NOW
This argument is mostly like not taking trains because they use 40% Coal Power. So we wait until Datteln is gone
@jwildeboer @wikkit
@wonka
The schedule:
https://www.eberswalde-ffo.de/media/files/rbtes-fahrplan-erkner-tesla-sued.pdf
No, it does not stand still much and most likely will keep running non-stop.
Bodo@wikkit Cherry on top: it is for free for everyone. Yes, Musk build a public infrastructure project that is free to use.
Wilfried Goesgens@wikkit its actualy a Talent1 - probably older than the company itself.
Take It EV Podcast 🎙️@wikkit @lisamelton “hey siri, show me a failure of your own business”
just_chill (domicile second.)@wikkit well you see... those are Tesla's own employees. They know they can't afford a Tesla to put in the death tunnel. (I am joking to an extend, I know they are well paid ingeneers working there. Paying to facilitate the working class access to their work place is fine to them, giving everyone cheap transportation probably isn't)
echo (formerly eve) 👾🏳️⚧️@wikkit I'm willing to bet that Tesla executives put effort into making sure Musk didn't hear about this project until it was in construction, out of fear that he'd make them use a "Hyperloop" instead.
Lee Fife - old account@wikkit Burning nice clean diesel...
EdCos@wikkit BUT, not available to the public?
piofthings@wikkit train that runs on Diesel 🙈🙈🙈
@wikkit Nuclear produces 24/7 and any nighttime excess could be used to drive carbon neutral fuel synthesis or carbon capture. Solar produces when the sun shines. They are not directly comparable.
I am experimenting with LiFePo4 batteries right now. If they can be made on a large enough scale they might bridge that gap someday. They have a long enough cycle life to be semi-permanent infrastructure, like a power plant or a transformer.
MyOpinion@wikkit And of course they made it electric! oops make that diesel.
@wikkit Elon knows what a train is😱😱😱
snowyfox@wikkit How /big/ is their company, for this to be needed
Svend Waldorff@wikkit so, the guy propagating individual electric transport setd up a diesel train for his workers...
Kimen 🏳️⚧️@wikkit there are actually Europeans that want a shitty American electric car?