Ben BrockertTesla Europe needed a way of moving employees at their factory outside Berlin. So they did they Tesla thing, and dug a tunnel and filled it with self-driving cars.
No of course not, they got a train.
Jan Wildeboer 😷
…might work for coffee…@jwildeboer
They build individual transport means. Of course they will not invest into electrifying tracks.
Announce there will be a highspeed rail project, and they will get hyperloop :P
Wilfried Klaebe@mwfc @jwildeboer @wikkit only the last few 100m (track ref 7390) are non-electrified, track ref 6153 all the way to Erkner is. That would make it possible to use battery electric trains that charge from overhead lines. Such things exist and already run on some German lines.
Are they available on order?
The last project I read was expecting delivery in 2029
And they need trains for material as well, so electrifying it makes sense. But it is a private Track. I read we are talking about few km.
@mwfc @jwildeboer @wikkit Less than 5km, by eye: https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/52.3997/13.8034
Check
https://www.openrailwaymap.org/?style=standard&lat=52.402471240250776&lon=13.810114860534668&zoom=14
They indicate that it is under construction. So I assume they will switch and might electrify.
So renting some surplus Material doesnt sound too bad.
@wonka
I assume they just grabbed what is on the market. I doubt they do long term planning and accepting the German "ok, in 6 years, that is fine" mentality. They showed that if you throw money at problems you can speed things up (like finding contractors)
and given the transport options for goods it should really be the obvious move to go electric and not batteries.
@mwfc @jwildeboer @wikkit Non-battery electric would be even better, of course. For now, BE trains would be better than diesel, if they could somehow get some. That short a trip will have the diesel engine emit even worse because it will be too cold quite often.
@wonka
Hm?
It is planned to go to Erkner from there, which is more than the 4 km
60 Trips (I assume 30 per direction), mostly during shiftchange
https://www.rbb24.de/studiofrankfurt/wirtschaft/tesla/2023/08/tesla-shuttle-zug-erkner-gruenheide-bahn-werk-gelaende-kostenlos.html
I doubt they will not be fully warm in that timeframe.
And we really should consider the alternatives, which are Busses or private cars.
No, there is much you can argue about, but perfectionism brings you nowhere.
If they plan to switch over to electric as soon as newbuild track is electrified and having diesel in between, it is a good move.
The too often seen German alternative is: doing Nothing
I mean we talk 0 infrastructure to railaccess and going diesel with many folks.
Yes tongue in cheek is fine, but its good
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@mwfc @jwildeboer @wikkit Yes, of course diesel trains are still better than buses or even cars. But upgrading to battery trains would save emissions.
Frank Nord@wonka @mwfc @jwildeboer @wikkit Looking at the diesel train connection to Norddeich, that might take some 30(?) years to finish.
Which one?
It is electrified to Münster and Bremen?
https://www.openrailwaymap.org/?style=electrified&lat=53.09897176800468&lon=8.817901611328125&zoom=9
@mwfc @wonka @jwildeboer @wikkit Ah, ok, i just remembered to have changed trains in Esens four (?) years ago.
As long as I can remember we always went all the way from Hannover to Norddeich electric (via Bremen). That is like nearly 30 years. But my memory might be wrong.
Esens meanwhile is on another Track for other Frisian Islands (Langeog) which is not electrified and goes to Sande basicly to join the electric line from Jadeweserport to Oldenburg.
https://www.openrailwaymap.org/?style=electrified&lat=53.61817207375609&lon=7.699012756347656&zoom=11
@wonka
And this is the thing.
A not available battery cart there, and going electric in 3 years is most likely not better.
A new built battery cart and going electric in 3 years is most likely not better either
An old cart with diesel reused and going electric in 3 years is most likely the best option
You get more runtime out of build equipment
You can start NOW
This argument is mostly like not taking trains because they use 40% Coal Power. So we wait until Datteln is gone
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