Steve Jowett
Taylor LorenzThis is so ridiculously petty if true.
Travis La Marr@taylorlorenz petty if true. Elon…. So, it’s true.
Death by Lambda@taylorlorenz
I think you mean "this is so ridiculously petty, it can only be true" :D
I think you mean "this is so ridiculously petty, it can only be true" :D
Simon Müller 
@taylorlorenz yet another W for Nitter, which skips these redirects for you
R@Rush @taylorlorenz Which extension and which app for android should I install?
Ghazi@tealcows @Rush @taylorlorenz you can install UntrackMe on Android (available on F-droid), it redirects twitter links to nitter (you can choose any instance you like).
https://fedilab.app/wiki/nitterizeme/
https://fedilab.app/wiki/nitterizeme/
@curiousmind personally I use Iceraven (Firefox Fork) with privacy redirect, and Libredirect on my PC, but this can for sure be useful to many :)
Zaya the Jew@taylorlorenz Hey thanks for posting this on here (i.e. something other than a plug for your YouTube) - THIS is what I follow you for!
@zayathejew I don’t only plug my YouTube… I promise!! 😅
@taylorlorenz Oh my god 😲💥💪😀
John Cutting@taylorlorenz
Money doesn't buy self reflection and it sure as hell doesn't help people overcome insecurity.
Money doesn't buy self reflection and it sure as hell doesn't help people overcome insecurity.
OpenDNA⚙️@taylorlorenz "How does this generate revenue or reduce costs?" uhhhh...
Max Woolf@taylorlorenz actually surprised you aren't logged into HN :P
sabik@taylorlorenz
Counterpoint: that would have a massive UX impact
> For web usability, [...] new pages must display within 1 second for users to feel like they're navigating freely; any slower and they feel held back by the computer and don't click as readily.
@sabik that's the point
@minimaxir
I mean, I wouldn't call it "petty"
I mean, I wouldn't call it "petty"
Virginia Holloway@sabik @minimaxir They’re not using “petty” to mean the delay is inconsequential. They mean Musk is behaving like a petulant child. It’s his actions that are petty, not the inconvenience.
Tay M.@taylorlorenz Definitely seems to be a delay with them compared to other websites. Oh Musky boi...
Roel@taylorlorenz
Omg he has ACTUAL henchmen! Mindless minnions that do his bidding, 'you want a 5 second day on certain URLs, sure boss! '
Or has everyone else left Twitter?
∫homara@rmhogervorst @taylorlorenz
I’d guess there are some folks working there out of necessity even if they’re not particularly happy with the manchild’s shenanigans, only staying e.g. due to immigration issues. This stuff does severely constrain one’s options.
I’d guess there are some folks working there out of necessity even if they’re not particularly happy with the manchild’s shenanigans, only staying e.g. due to immigration issues. This stuff does severely constrain one’s options.
@taylorlorenz oh shit I forgot about that! How horrifying! Poor people.
Casually running on stock!
Erik@taylorlorenz it being Elon you can put away your doubt and know, for sure, it's that petty.
@taylorlorenz nytimes with their super advanced staff haven't setup their own mastodon server yet. BBC did. Their fault. They should show the stick.
Raphael@taylorlorenz "Ridiculously Petty" are that guy's middle names.
AC@taylorlorenz Don’t let the photos of his pasty, doughy, girthy torso fool you. Elon Musk is a profoundly small man.
AmongMadPeeps
Flux@taylorlorenz Their hoping that the 2 second rule will cause people to not look at the site since they'll think it's a broken link or something
Sandrew 
@taylorlorenz Could you test it and confirm?
é.@taylorlorenz I have noticed this with links out to substack, actually! I thought it was our internet but it only happens with those links (in my experience, so far)
Kim 🇩🇰 🇳🇴@taylorlorenz I think others have confirmed it, but yeah it's definitely true, I've tried several NYT links, it's the same delay every time, and I tried one Fox link, worked in an instant.
Mark Frank@taylorlorenz I figured it was a performance issue with the website. So I decided to stop browsing #Twitter at that point. #TaskFailedSuccessfully
alice
stux⚡️@taylorlorenz A typical Elon Dick move..
Blamellors@taylorlorenz still using Twitter/X ? Ha!
stfn 
@taylorlorenz @agturcz haha, yes, just tested it and it's true. Melon, you dumb child
roze@taylorlorenz Funnily, Twitter itself was throttled (by Russia) in an effort to censor it in 2021 - https://www.theregister.com/2021/03/10/russia_twitter_throttling/
Lee 🌏
pirx26@taylorlorenz Just tried it. Seems true. No delays for Al Jazeera links.
Shar_shar@taylorlorenz
Twitter has become an abomination... it is everything that it said it wasn't. Always imperfect but now.a danger to us all.
Twitter has become an abomination... it is everything that it said it wasn't. Always imperfect but now.a danger to us all.
StrigoiDevil@taylorlorenz can confirm
Mad Sci ∴Tried it and it does seem to be true.
How sad
Dagnabbit, Pascaline! 💥@taylorlorenz
I made this a while ago 😹
I don't know if all know Blackadder, but well, there it is.
#Blackadder #cunningplan #musk #elonmusk
I made this a while ago 😹
I don't know if all know Blackadder, but well, there it is.
#Blackadder #cunningplan #musk #elonmusk
Martijn VosIs this not an anti-trust issue? If he does this intentionally to punish companies that criticise him, that's abuse, is it not?
Dym Sohin@taylorlorenz next obvious step is to add ad+capcha on every t.co redirect (unless it leads back to twitter) if client accepts
text/html content-type
st3ph3n@taylorlorenz STOP. USING. TWITTER.
william.maggosI don't understand what's preventing these big media and journalism outlets from embracing the #fediverse. they have the resources to fork Mastodon and add QTs and better search or whatever they want. isn't independence a core requirement to do good work?
volkrisWell part of it is that a lot of #journalism may not have those resources after all.
With budgets being squeezed and internal debate over future directions of the organizations, there might not be resources–money and attention–available for them to do the work to embrace #fediverse.
Forking #Mastodon for #QTs
and such, adding it to institutional workflows isn’t a trivial thing as you make it out to be!
deltatux 
@wjmaggos @taylorlorenz
They don't even need to do that, they can just simply choose to deploy an #Akkoma or #Firefish instance that already have those features... You don't need to modify #Mastodon to do something that already exists on the fediverse. If they don't want to deploy their own instance, they can join existing ones running these implementations.
Akkoma & Firefish include quote boosts/quote posts, rich text formatting, full text search and more. Firefish even has the option to import your own posts from other instances including from Mastodon as well.
Mastodon has the most "market share" but they're definitely not the only #ActivityPub microblogging implementation out there. Others exist and already have features that are missing on Mastodon. Unfortunately because of Mastodon's sheer size, people have equated it to the entire #fediverse, similar to how Kleenex is to facial tissues.
I think Big Media is mainly still not sold on the idea of decentralized social networking and they don't believe the audience is there. They seem to have hopped on to Threads pretty fast. I'm interested to see how BBC's experiment on the fediverse plays out, hopefully they have a permanent presence here.
They don't even need to do that, they can just simply choose to deploy an #Akkoma or #Firefish instance that already have those features... You don't need to modify #Mastodon to do something that already exists on the fediverse. If they don't want to deploy their own instance, they can join existing ones running these implementations.
Akkoma & Firefish include quote boosts/quote posts, rich text formatting, full text search and more. Firefish even has the option to import your own posts from other instances including from Mastodon as well.
Mastodon has the most "market share" but they're definitely not the only #ActivityPub microblogging implementation out there. Others exist and already have features that are missing on Mastodon. Unfortunately because of Mastodon's sheer size, people have equated it to the entire #fediverse, similar to how Kleenex is to facial tissues.
I think Big Media is mainly still not sold on the idea of decentralized social networking and they don't believe the audience is there. They seem to have hopped on to Threads pretty fast. I'm interested to see how BBC's experiment on the fediverse plays out, hopefully they have a permanent presence here.
@deltatux @taylorlorenz @volkris
all that's preventing mass adoption here is the lack of the big names in journalism. I think better search on Mastodon will help, but yes, there are lots of other options. I think the future, if we want to retain decentralization, is something like lots of locality based instances using something like Firefish ala Nextdoor. but for journalists, server software designed for them coordinated by somebody like Columbia Journalism Review.
@wjmaggos @taylorlorenz @volkris
Well, if BBC's experiment proves successful, hopefully other big names would jump in. Another European publication, Heise from Germany has their own instance on the fediverse as well.
Apparently Financial Times attempted their own fediverse instance but because they opened it up for registration, made the whole thing not working out for them.
I think there would be more trial & error before the big names really take the fediverse seriously.
One good news is that smaller publications like @ProPublica, @TexasObserver, @TheConversationUS & more are already on the #fediverse. Hopefully more will follow.
Well, if BBC's experiment proves successful, hopefully other big names would jump in. Another European publication, Heise from Germany has their own instance on the fediverse as well.
Apparently Financial Times attempted their own fediverse instance but because they opened it up for registration, made the whole thing not working out for them.
I think there would be more trial & error before the big names really take the fediverse seriously.
One good news is that smaller publications like @ProPublica, @TexasObserver, @TheConversationUS & more are already on the #fediverse. Hopefully more will follow.
@deltatux @TheConversationUS @ProPublica @taylorlorenz @TexasObserver @volkris
the tough part of all this is that it won't work nearly as well piecemeal. the journalism industry has to make the jump together. what they seem to love about social is reading and sharing and talking to each other. the rest of us news junkies feed off of that. they need to plan this together. get their accounts/instances all set up, and then try only using the fedi for a month they all agree on. say November 2023.
I just really don’t think people are as focused on news here as you think they are. Just different people looking for different things.
Heck, sometimes it sounds like people want to use these platforms to ESCAPE the news.
true, so are we the right size for them? or are some people who want it to be something else not coming here for some reason that we can change? should we?
I want this place to be the grand public square so I both want everyone here and need the journalists here to make that happen. decentralization and no ads or algos make it perfect for this imo. attention is earned. cultural democracy.
I'd love it to be able to be all things to all people. IDK if that's possible.
Keep in mind that “show things in chronological order” is itself an algorithm.
But more importantly, I’d say if we want more people here, then the main thing we needs is exactly better algorithms that can empower users to have the experiences they want.
The people who want to see more news and the people who want to see less news are both better served by better algorithms that serve them those things.
Without better algorithms a lot of people are just not going to be interested in this platform because they’re not being served by it.
no algos has come to mean reverse chronological, but fine. give me a term for "no algos controlled by other people so that our attention can be hijacked outside of how it is when we freely choose to follow people etc etc". that is the problem imo. one could say that we live within an algo of modern capitalism based on where we live and how old we are that biases what media we choose to consume and when and for how long etc. the languages we think in are algos for sure.
Oh I would simply say chronological (or reverse chronological) if that’s what is being meant.
The point is that reverse chronological serves so many users really badly, and that drives off a lot of potential users.
To say “no algorithm” sets up this extra, unnecessary barrier to overcome to serve users better. At that point it becomes not enough to simply show a better algorithm, but you have to first convince a person to accept an algorithm at all even as they are already accepting one with reverse chronological.
It’s no minor detail. It’s a rhetorical block against making the platform better.
If you really like reverse chronological for your feed, great! It is such a simple algorithm that it shouldn’t be a problem to keep as an option universally.
But so many users would be better served if they were empowered to choose a different algorithm that better matched their usage.
but I don't mean reverse chronological. I mean that and the ability to display based on mute and block and filter NSFW etc. aren't you saying we need to include all that too, in order to be accurate?
I don't think we're losing people cause some people say "no algos" instead of being more precise. the problem here is the lack of users other users want to follow. the bad guys do the lock in cause it works for their shitty business model. they don't provide a choice of algos either.