I've just got to say how happy I am with the Mastodon community, especially all the science/space people that I'm following. This place is the clear winner after the social media meltdown, despite its outstanding issues and missing features.

What makes me even more excited is that it's open and unmonetized, so it's completely immune to shareholder demands or the whim of a billionaire.

Don't worry if your friends aren't here yet, we're your new friends.

#mastodon

@fraser
So happy that you and @starstryder are on here!

- a huge astronomy cast fan!

@fraser thank you for this summary Fraser. Iโ€™ve followed you for about 19 years now from G+ to Twitter, to here. I always want to find scientists who believe science communication is important. I follow @alexwild same path. Wish Phil Plait was here but at least I get his newsletter. I have the same pleasure here on Mastodon and have been fortunate to find many of my #Geology folks here too.
@cobalt @alexwild Aww, thanks. Phil is here, he's at @badastro
@fraser yay!!!! Followed immediately, thanks! I found some of main legal and journalism folks here too and am happy finding through all of you to discover more. Shout out to @dangillmor and @Teri_Kanefield who may be glad to see that itโ€™s working here in Mastodon same important connections.
@fraser Enjoying your daily barage of posts and, of course, your podcast - I see you're over on Threads as well, do you plan on cross-posting or just giving it some time to decide where to stay?
@pinkoos I'm really just playing around with Threads to see if there's a spark of community there. I think it's pretty much dead, though.
@fraser yeah me too, I wonder if once they have a desktop / web version if more people will engage over there
@pinkoos I wouldn't bet against their ability to develop the needed features and drive people to the app. But they'll also get distracted, shut down services and chase shareholder sentiment. It's always a short-term outlook. Look what happened with Google+, if they'd just kept it going, they'd be the top network by now.
@fraser It really is wonderful that you're here, Fraser. For me you're one of Mastodon's superstars, and I'm glad you're receiving enough interest here to keep you posting.
@bodhipaksa It's way beyond enough interest. I'm more hopeful about what Mastodon will become because it's unconstrained by corporate interests.
@fraser Yes, that is one of the exciting things for me about this place. I'm very happy to have set up a recurring payment to my host; it makes this feel more like home.
@bodhipaksa That's smart. I hope we get to a place where every person can run their own server easily if they want to.
@fraser Agreed. Mastodon has been my favorite social media experience so far.
@fraser It's not completely, like any distributed service some part can be ruined by a company. For example if everyone is using mastodon or a specific server and they turn evil most people won't switch to another fediverse service and mastodon or a server will have as much power as established social media. We have to be vigilant but it's much better than before
@fraser And keep telling all your friends to come here too- itโ€™ll be win-win-win.
@mori Hah, haven't we all been there before? I have to keep a mental map of all my friends and which network they're likely to respond on.
@fraser Yeah, if not which messaging app just for a quick txt
@fraser lots of journalists judge fediverse with terms of corporate growth and as such it may fail to grow as fast as various other corporate services, but they forget itโ€™s not a corporation, itโ€™s a constellation of communities. Their metrics are wrong and so is their analysis.
@nickapos Yeah, but I even see this kind of feedback from regular people, that Mastodon needs to implement features quickly or it's going to "lose the race." It's not in a race. It has no burn rate, no cashflow, no shareholder pressure. It just exists as an emergent function of people agreeing to use a protocol. It disappears when the last two people stop using it.
@fraser you are right but people do not realise something basic. There is no centralised command in fediverse. There is a lot of development happening, both on the frontend and the backend but it is not necessarily what people expect. These are community driven activities and are designed to satisfy certain communities. It is certain that they wont satisfy everyone.
@fraser I'm new here and I understand the concept of separation of servers. But can you explain like I'm 5 how exactly Mastodon is immune from enshittification? Like what's stopping someone like Musk from buying Mastodon and turning it into Xodon? Even if there are multiple servers, couldn't an asshat like Musk make it so the other servers can't associate themselves with the name of Mastodon?
@bevardimus @fraser mastodon is not a thing, or company, or whatever that you can buy, much like you can't "buy email". He can start xodon, sell ads on it etc, but it's super easy for any other instance to just block xodon.
@harcel @bevardimus Yeah, saying that you could buy "podcasts" or "websites." You can buy individual shows or sites but you can't scoop up or control the whole thing.
@fraser Itโ€™s still got more features than Threads! ๐Ÿคฃ
@fraser glad you are here as well .....
@fraser Do you have some recommendations for whom to follow for space and science? ๐Ÿ˜€

@tdev Yeah, go to the lists here: https://truesciphi.org/ast_mas.html

Import any CSV file that seems interesting to you.

TrueSciPhi: Astronomers on Mastodon

List of astronomers on Mastodon with over 100 followers.

@fraser

do note that while it's not subject to whims of "a billionaire", it's now subject to the whims of a few hundred neurodivergent server administrators which means some or all of your data and connections can still vanish in thin air with no warning, for any touchy reason, and frequently does, unless you're hosting your own, which comes with its own problems...

@evolbug Yeah, I'm hosting my own server, so I'm immune to that. If there was a way to make it much easier to host your own server, that would be a great improvement. I could suggest thousands of improvements, but that's not my point. I'll still take individual admins over a billionaire ruled by shareholders.

@fraser

there's masto.host and also digitalocean offers an "almost one-click" setup, but yeah. in my eyes it's a dilemma, while theoretically individuals are better than billionaire shareholders, in practice i've seen dozens of those individuals go out of commission permanently, taking thousands to hundreds of thousands of users with them, because behind the scenes mastodon is a really rough place to manage. and while self hosting protects you against that somewhat, your reach becomes minimal

@fraser of course currently it has far higher signal than the alternatives which is very nice, but it's best described as tribal anarchy right now. Your friends may come and stay here, but then one day vanish. Question is, how many times can they take vanishing before they go back to the billionaire platform that is always up, even though it's worse when it comes to the actual signal part.
@fraser i've been using mastodon since beginning of 2018, before the whole twitter shtick, and seen contant infighting. first on mastodon.social and then decided to host my own, because the largest art instance decided to silence the one where, well, pretty much everyone else is (.social), so nobody there could talk to the artists anymore. Having moved to my own, with my modest followlist the difference between how much conversation i used to have and now do is day and night. gain some lose some

@fraser yknow we also do have precedent of corporate takeover for federated services, it's... email!

it used to be that most people had their own email address in any random place, very often their ISP provided one. nowadays you're pretty much stuck with google or microsoft, and a few others who managed to carve out a slice through great effort. Problem is, if you self host mail, if you don't get blessed, nobody will accept your mail even if you fulfill all the dozen requirements.

@evolbug There was a fantastic essay I once read about the phases communities go through, with initial enthusiasm leading to moderator burnout, leading to politics. It's inevitable. So your experience is inevitable, and your solution to set up your own server was the right one.
@evolbug Hah, no idea. It'll take as long as it takes. Either the technology improves to the point that it's effortless to move to and remain in Mastodon or the billionaires figure out a business model that doesn't depend on violating our privacy and manipulating our emotions.
@fraser "social media meltdown". You summed it up ๐Ÿ‘Œ

@fraser Thank you for keeping up to date on all the science happenings!!!

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@fraser list your favorites, please! Looking for accounts to follow to fill the nerd void left in my life when I jettisoned Xbird.
@fraser oh, I should go through your follower list as I need more space content.
@fraser interesting mastodon feature missing: I can't see the accounts you are following "this list is empty".
@gunstick That's strange, but you can mostly duplicate it from these lists: https://truesciphi.org/ast_mas.html
TrueSciPhi: Astronomers on Mastodon

List of astronomers on Mastodon with over 100 followers.

@fraser Not monetized, yes, but a few $$ a month to your server is nice.
@fraser Less addictive and more information dense - Mastodon is indeed the best social media experience so far!
@fraser I love Mastadon!!!๐Ÿ‘โ˜ฎ๏ธ

@fraser

And here I have some computer nerd tell me that Lemmy/Mastodon are dead and their apps are dead interfaces. I don't follow this train of thought. I like this place.

@fraser I wouldn't put it past him to buy Mastodon for 20 billion USD and closing it up. Would be a bargain compared to what he paid for X.
@Jason_Dodd @fraser Still wouldn't kill Fedi, which is the point of Fedi.

@clacke @fraser could possibly put it back to where it was in terms of use a couple of years ago. that's not dead to you and me but much of the world would think it was.

then again to me the year of the linux desktop was 2001 and irc is the best social media platform.

@Jason_Dodd That could have been a fair point if acquisition would affect all Mastodon servers, but it would affect two servers only (sure, two big ones, but still), not all Mastodon servers, and as for the software there are several living forks already.

That's before we count the rise of Firefish, but I admit the overwhelming part of Fedi is still Masto and derivatives.

With hachyderm, infosec, mstdn, universodon and other new, or somewhat new, and fast-growing communities, loss of the flagships would do less damage now than just half a year to a year ago.

@clacke of course i was just making a joke with hyperbole but i'm thinking buying mastodon.social and the project would result in that.

sure forks would happen but i'm thinking would be detrimental to the project.

heck, there are already articles with titles like, "why mastodon failed" after musk bought twitter. so many might already think it's dead.

@Jason_Dodd It would be detrimental to the project, which would lose one of its two most active contributors and it would be detrimental to the network, which would lose two of its top servers.

It might also hurt public perception, to the extent that there is any public perception.

Whether you're joking or not, after a hit like that, someone torpedoing Mastodon gGmbH, I still seriously think the network would be more active than it was in October 2022.

The biggest hit to growth would probably be joinmastodon, but I think the network has enough friends of friends that joinmastodon is only important, not crucial.

@clacke perhaps. i might be biased influenced by how the masses seem to think everything that isn't number 1 or number 2 in popularity is "dead" or has failed.