MikeJul 23, 2023
Rose Ⓐ 🏳️‍⚧️ (it/its)

Seeing more and more autistic people being accused of being AI.

This hatred of the way AI interacts is a disability issue. It is a neurodivergence issue.

I want to be clear with this message. This always came from a place of ableism. Ableism is fucking rampant in even leftist communities. Any leftist group that allows this shit to go on not only will never achieve anything meaningfully leftist, it is straight up our enemy.

Don't be the enemy of disabled people.

(Y'all should boost this one)

#ActuallyAutistic @actuallyautistic #Neurodivergent #ableism #Anarchism #Anarchy #Anarchist #Communism

Jul 23, 2023 at 1:11pmWeb
Show threadSocial Justice Warrior🦍Jul 23, 2023
@RosethornRangerTTV I havent seen this personally, could you provide examples?
Show threadRose Ⓐ 🏳️‍⚧️ (it/its)Jul 23, 2023

@vegafjord https://nypost.com/2023/07/21/autistic-purdue-professor-accused-of-being-ai-for-lacking-warmth-in-email/

one i saw recently

others are more personal so I won't share that.

Purdue professor accused of being AI bot for lacking 'warmth' in viral email: 'I'm just Autistic'

“Chat GPT detectors are flagging non-native English speakers as using Chat GPT when really it’s just that they have an idiosyncratic way of pulling together words that’s based on …

New York Post
Show threadSocial Justice Warrior🦍Jul 23, 2023
@RosethornRangerTTV Thank you:)
Show threadDawn AhukannaJul 23, 2023

@RosethornRangerTTV @vegafjord

> “The AI design of your email is clever, but significantly lacks warmth,” the researcher replied to Williams’ email, followed by a request to speak with a “human being.”

This quote says more about “uninformed by factual evidence”, judgmental, biased, opinionated statement than evidence of confabulating, “auto-correcting” AI.

WTAF - email lacks warmth! It’s office inter-communication, not a novel, biography or Greek epic.

Show threadapophisJul 23, 2023
@RosethornRangerTTV @vegafjord that "lacked warmth" language seems so familiar that i'm wondering if it's the same incident i saw on fedi earlier

or if "lacks warmth" is actually part of the template that the auto-AI-detect-reject algorithm they've got in place uses
Show threadRose Ⓐ 🏳️‍⚧️ (it/its)Jul 23, 2023

@apophis

It could be both. This is a common talking point about autistic people already, and a huge amount of language about neurodivergence has been appropriated for talk of AI. "Hallucinations" being a big example

Show threadsofticecreamlesleyJul 23, 2023
@RosethornRangerTTV @vegafjord That’s terrible! 😳
Show threadRose Ⓐ 🏳️‍⚧️ (it/its)Jul 23, 2023

@softicecreamlesley its the same type of shit we have been dealing with all our lives, but with the extreme hatred building up it might end up hurting a lot of us very badly

losing our jobs and starving at a bare minimum i think

we need people to help organize shit we can use to survive immediately

Show threadsofticecreamlesleyJul 23, 2023
@RosethornRangerTTV Thank you for spreading the word about this issue. I had no idea.
Show threadSunbeam Borb 🌻Jul 25, 2023
@RosethornRangerTTV @vegafjord ugh. That's such gross 'service with a smile' type bullshit.
Show threadwhitneyJul 23, 2023
@vegafjord @RosethornRangerTTV here’s another that I just saw: https://twitter.com/FractalEcho/status/1681632336771796992?s=20&fbclid=IwAR2LHLN6BXxU3fI-0PshJEDKBcW4tygTlf6zQbDfZXz853JRbPd17iyTgIQ_aem_Afry97Kq71CCLylXT9-wdzWsqAaEvUG5dnCJXN02D0Y5OLO5C3HDhVADS5Jj9UXBA90
Rua M. Williams on Twitter

“This is not an email I ever expected to receive or send.”

Twitter
Show threadAnnika BackstromJul 23, 2023
@writerethink @vegafjord for the twitter-averse, it was also posted to fedi https://kolektiva.social/@FractalEcho/110740599615481285
Rua M. Williams (@[email protected])

Attached: 2 images This is not an email I ever expected to receive or send.

kolektiva.social
Show threadwhitneyJul 23, 2023
@annika @vegafjord ah, thanks! A friend who is still on Twitter shared it with me, and I couldn’t find it here. (I’m no longer a Twitter user!)
Show threadCasey Reeves (it/its)Jul 23, 2023

@RosethornRangerTTV I'm a bit this way. I have good words when I write, unless words are running away from me, but talking is a chore. I also don't write in ways that people might consider me warm, I suppose. I tried to fake it and that was simply awkward.

I also display very little emotion (see my post about alexithymia) and can't interpret reactions from people very well.

Show threadwhitneyJul 23, 2023
@RosethornRangerTTV @actuallyautistic I’m currently trying to put together a study to test whether “AI-detection” tools are systematically biased against neurodivergent writers, the way we know they are against second-language writers. (I also think humans who put themselves in the role of “AI detector” are biased against neurodivergent writers.)
Show threadKatLSJul 26, 2023
@writerethink @RosethornRangerTTV @actuallyautistic interesting. The ND writer I live with is damn good. I’m wondering how diff from NTs now.
Show threadRose Ⓐ 🏳️‍⚧️ (it/its)Sep 5, 2023
@writerethink any progress on the study?
Show threadwhitneySep 5, 2023
@RosethornRangerTTV still in the IRB approval process, hopefully will be collecting data soon!
Show threadDr. Angus Andrea Grieve-SmithJul 23, 2023
@RosethornRangerTTV I don't think the way "AI" interacts is anything like the way autistic people do. I hate it because it's exploitation. For me it has nothing to do with disabilities.
Show threadDr. Angus Andrea Grieve-SmithJul 23, 2023
@RosethornRangerTTV Or rather, I think it does have to do with disabilities, in the sense that the people who are pushing "AI" are exploiting people with disabilities the same way they're happy to exploit anyone they can.
Show threadEpiphanic SynchronicityJul 23, 2023

@grvsmth @RosethornRangerTTV I agree. Being critical of AI/LLM does **not** equal hatred of or prejudice against autistic people. Throwing autistic people into a shared protected class with robot “intelligence” would foster rather than reduce misunderstanding of and prejudice against them.

That humans are being accused of being AI shows that AI is already doing real personal and societal harm, and at the very least calls for critical analysis of its practical and ethical ramifications.

Show threadDr. Angus Andrea Grieve-SmithJul 24, 2023
@EpiphanicSynchronicity Wow, did she block you too?
Show threadEpiphanic SynchronicityJul 24, 2023
@grvsmth How can you tell?
Show threadDr. Angus Andrea Grieve-SmithJul 24, 2023
@EpiphanicSynchronicity I can't see her posts, and when I click on her handle it says "Profile unavailable" and the Follow button is disabled...
Show threadDr. Angus Andrea Grieve-SmithJul 24, 2023
@EpiphanicSynchronicity I'm not upset about it. I'm a little surprised she didn't just ignore me, but whatever...
Show threadEpiphanic SynchronicityJul 24, 2023
@grvsmth That didn’t happen to me. Not sure why it did to you. Maybe she misinterpreted what you were saying.
Show threadDr. Angus Andrea Grieve-SmithJul 24, 2023
@EpiphanicSynchronicity Maybe so. Your take was a bit clearer. I dunno. I'm always wary of any attempts to essentialize neurological differences, especially hypothetical ones.
Show threadJParsonsJul 23, 2023
@RosethornRangerTTV @actuallyautistic I'm also afraid that people with physical limb deformities will be accused of being ai generated images/fake people. I don't even know how to approach that because it's such a new and unusual problem that just adds to a vast history of ablism (especially in tech)
Show threadLisPiJul 24, 2023

@mucephie @RosethornRangerTTV @actuallyautistic For a moment I was wondering if you meant offline accusations which certainly gave me pause.

There are doubtlessly people disconnected enough to do so.

Show threadRose Ⓐ 🏳️‍⚧️ (it/its)Jul 24, 2023

@mucephie

I think it will lead to pushing disabled people out of public spaces, which has a long precedent

I think we approach it by cutting off/attacking anyone attacking AI art and such. Like saying its "not real art" or trying to undermine people using it

Show threadJParsonsJul 24, 2023
@RosethornRangerTTV about 10 or a bit less years ago when I was in highschool, my art teacher decided to task us with writing an essay or making a vlog video, or some other medium, on the topic of what is art and what constitutes it. It ended up being a harder topic than it initially sounded when it actually came to forming an opinion and backing it up, and that was before we had any clue that things like "ai art" would exist.
Show threadJParsonsJul 24, 2023
@RosethornRangerTTV As such, I tend to avoid the ai art conversation. But I definitely don't like it when people attack each other over the situation 😕, so maybe just cutting people who show harmful opinions towards people with disabilities out of our communities is the bamdaid solution for now
Show threadRose Ⓐ 🏳️‍⚧️ (it/its)Jul 24, 2023

@mucephie

I much prefer going out of my way to make sure people have access to accessibility tools than to sit and watch

Show threadRose Ⓐ 🏳️‍⚧️ (it/its)Jul 24, 2023
@mucephie I guess the best way to put it is attacking AI art is the ableism here. There are no two sides to this discussion. One side is entirely about ableism
Show threadJParsonsJul 24, 2023
@RosethornRangerTTV can you explain the ableism part? So far the limited exposure to discourse on the web of this topic I've seen is based around the idea of "art theft" when it comes to ai.
Show threadRose Ⓐ 🏳️‍⚧️ (it/its)Jul 24, 2023

@mucephie

well first things first, it allows people to create things they otherwise would not have. AI art requires human input. Often people will think of an idea, generate something, and then iteratively generate on it until they get to that idea.

That is art. Art isn't just when you have a brush and make strokes. AI art also isn't just copy-paste of someone else's art. On top of that, I am an anarchist. Intellectual property is statist right wing bullshit. Why should you be able to limit the art other people make? Why the hell should you be able to tell people they can't use a specific type of brush stroke? Fanart is often better than the art of actual shows.

They just want to limit the amount of people who can do art by using ableism so they can maintain their wages. They are extremely low, of course, but in no way does that excuse participating in the oppression themselves.

Show threadJonathan D. Cope, Esq.Jul 23, 2023
@RosethornRangerTTV @actuallyautistic Been there, done that -- everyday.
Show threadalternative_be✅🖖🏻Jul 23, 2023
@RosethornRangerTTV @actuallyautistic Sadly, I sort of saw this coming. I sort of wondered whether or when this would first happen. #FuckAbleism
Show threadfuturecrashJul 23, 2023
@RosethornRangerTTV @actuallyautistic In do androids dream of electric sheep, the android test is an empathy test that is thought to maybe confuse “schizoid” peoples for androids. Prescience.
Show threadCinnamon (moving to [email protected])Jul 23, 2023
@RosethornRangerTTV @[email protected] I haven't seen that happen
Show threadRose Ⓐ 🏳️‍⚧️ (it/its)Jul 23, 2023

@Cinnamon

one example

https://nypost.com/2023/07/21/autistic-purdue-professor-accused-of-being-ai-for-lacking-warmth-in-email/

Purdue professor accused of being AI bot for lacking 'warmth' in viral email: 'I'm just Autistic'

“Chat GPT detectors are flagging non-native English speakers as using Chat GPT when really it’s just that they have an idiosyncratic way of pulling together words that’s based on …

New York Post
Show threadCinnamon (moving to [email protected])Jul 23, 2023
@RosethornRangerTTV w h a t
Show threadRose Ⓐ 🏳️‍⚧️ (it/its)Jul 23, 2023
@Cinnamon ?
Show threadCinnamon (moving to [email protected])Jul 23, 2023
@RosethornRangerTTV that's fucked up! I'm autistic and this is the first time I hear of this
Show threadRose Ⓐ 🏳️‍⚧️ (it/its)Jul 23, 2023

@Cinnamon professors and teachers are also actively using "AI detectors", similar to their plagiarism detectors in usage, that actively flag ND people.

As this becomes more wide-spread we may be barred from public life in general. This is a dire situation.

The hatred of AI stems directly from the hatred of disabled people. We can see the dam already breaking, a wave of hatred is about to wash over us.

Show threadMage of Aquarius⛢Jul 24, 2023

@RosethornRangerTTV @actuallyautistic I'm in the middle of an ambitious performance art project that highlights exactly this

There's folks who'd like to genocide disabled people by projecting their unexamined prejudices before they'd like to figure out how to put our heads together and use groundbreaking new technology to solve societal problems

It's lead to uh... Desire to interact with humans less than I already did

Show threadRose Ⓐ 🏳️‍⚧️ (it/its)Jul 24, 2023

@Mage_of_Aquarius

Well if we are going to survive this we will need to work together one way or another. Most people may be shit but if they can pick us off alone we have no chance

Show threadVega Cassidy Claire Harmonia Jul 25, 2023
@RosethornRangerTTV @actuallyautistic reminds me of literally being called an "emotionless computer" for my writing by my high school literature professor...
Show threadRose Ⓐ 🏳️‍⚧️ (it/its)Jul 25, 2023
@amberxorluci yeah, exactly. I've had that so many times. Now add onto that an extreme hatred for computers instead of mild fascination or annoyance
Show threadVega Cassidy Claire Harmonia Jul 25, 2023
@RosethornRangerTTV and add the fact that I was literally suffering from depression + a nice cocktail of mental Illnesses and it's a very cool combo /s
Show threadRose Ⓐ 🏳️‍⚧️ (it/its)Jul 25, 2023

@amberxorluci yeah. I had a teacher only call me by my last name for a year and then only say that was why at the end of it. It really fucking sucked

Said my first name "humanized me too much"

Show threadFrances LarinaJul 25, 2023

@RosethornRangerTTV @actuallyautistic

English as a second language people / english learners, too. Which often brings with it a bit of underlying racism.

Show threadUrsidinoj/The BjornsdottirsJul 27, 2023
@RosethornRangerTTV @actuallyautistic Sometimes I say to myself, about my own words, "that read like ChatGPT."
Show threadHexany Ives 🎨Sep 19, 2023
@RosethornRangerTTV @actuallyautistic When I was in my school days, people told me that the way I talk/write is "robotic", so I feel that people comparing neurodivergent people to machines and computer algorithms was a thing before of all of this AI nonsense.