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Lady Liberty 🗽Jul 22, 2023

@breadandcircuses I would answer that with a “duh”

Thomas Favre-Bulle 🏳‍🌈Jul 22, 2023

@breadandcircuses @steve Meat heavy diets have a much larger footprint than plant based, regardless of the profits being made.

@erispoe @breadandcircuses @steve veganism is definitely a more eco-friendly diet, and if you enjoy it, do it. But it would be much more impactful to stop the massive corporations dumping pollution constantly. That said solving the climate crisis is a “yes and” more than a “either or”

BlackDutchSnark Jul 23, 2023

@clayrosenthal i think there are a lot of things WE can do as citizens of the world, but all the recycling, going vegan, using less fossil fuel energy, in the world won’t fix the problem until we stop corporations from raping, pillaging and dumping toxic waste all over the earth.

@johnettesnuggs yes! I think these behaviours are great practices, especially once we stop the companies we’d want to keep doing those things, and or adjust to new behaviours even more sustainably based. I think I’ve come to the opinion plastic recycling is bullshit, we should be recycling metals, reusing glass, and anything else should be compostable if it’s going to be single use

BlackDutchSnark Jul 23, 2023

@clayrosenthal I agree with the recycling plastics being useless. I have a feeling they are just being dumped in landfills anyways. We have very limited uses for recycling plastics. I really wish we could go back to glass instead of plastic for jars and bottles. It is so much easier to recycle glass and metal. We can thank Coca-cola/Pepsi for that one.

@johnettesnuggs the least Coca Cola could do is put the coke back in

BlackDutchSnark Jul 23, 2023

@clayrosenthal right??

\u1f0a1 Jul 31, 2023

@johnettesnuggs @clayrosenthal Also worth mentioning that they want us to argue about who personally is doing more to protect the climate or not doing enough — because that's what they think will make us not address the root cause.

BlackDutchSnark Jul 31, 2023

@bnlandor @clayrosenthal absolutely. As long as we are arguing amongst ourselves the real culprits can keep on doing what they are doing. All the divisive distractions are great for the corporate overlords. They guarantee we will never work together.

IGBRUTAL Jul 23, 2023

@clayrosenthal @erispoe @breadandcircuses @steve vegans when i detonate the BP headquarters

@IGBRUTAL @erispoe @breadandcircuses @steve yes and… the shell headquarters

IGBRUTAL Jul 23, 2023

@clayrosenthal @erispoe @breadandcircuses @steve ofcourse, all the head quarters

in my bedroom with a twink, call that the head quarters

Dave Goldsmith Jul 23, 2023

@clayrosenthal @erispoe @breadandcircuses @steve

I recently read in the Guardian that "Detailed analysis finds plant diets lead to 75% less climate-heating emissions, water pollution and land use than meat-rich ones."

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jul/20/vegan-diet-cuts-environmental-damage-climate-heating-emissions-study

If that's true that is HUGE. Then moving to a vegan diet becomes obligatory for progressives that have the option to, IMHO.

Beef is a thief.

Vegan diet massively cuts environmental damage, study shows

Detailed analysis finds plant diets lead to 75% less climate-heating emissions, water pollution and land use than meat-rich ones

The Guardian

davehodg Jul 23, 2023

@breadandcircuses @steve @clayrosenthal @erispoe Veganism is inevitable but we are not the problem as individuals. Stop drilling for oil.

Ursidinoj/The Bjornsdottirs Jul 23, 2023

@erispoe @breadandcircuses @steve larger, maybe, but I wager still under the "it's too much" level if you just count CO2 and methane, all else being good enough to be good enough (oil and gas taps shut off and leaking wells capped; coal harvested solely for metallurgy).

land use is a concern; most of the land used in third world countries is too marginal to support any other agriculture than grazing. but because we in the west want our marbled pork chops, well.

Michael Robinson Jul 22, 2023

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66277211

Or not.

Uxbridge: Keir Starmer says Labour must learn lessons of by-election defeat

"Still a long way to go," Labour leader says, after losing by-election dominated by climate policy.

BBC News

Stoneface Vimes Jul 22, 2023

@breadandcircuses spot on. Yes we know "think global - act local" can only do so much. Particularly when, to be brutally honest, only so many are doing that.

Nicole Parsons Jul 22, 2023

https://act.represent.us/sign/usa-oligarchy-research-explained

Oil oligarchs are prepared to risk making the globe uninhabitable to keep their control & power.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/feb/19/bernie-sanders-oligarchs-ok-angry-about-capitalism-interview

https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna3088250

https://bailoutwatch.org/analysis/all-american-oligarchs-the-big-oil-ceos-profiting

The U.S. is an Oligarchy? The Research, Explained

A recent study shows that citizens “have little or no independent influence" on U.S. government policy.

RepresentUs

@Npars01 @breadandcircuses

sOlOw-NH Jul 23, 2023

Burn, baby, burn!

John Earle Jul 22, 2023

@breadandcircuses Humanity can't afford the rich and powerful any longer

Esme Ciredutemps Jul 22, 2023

@breadandcircuses no. It's not a fact.

Kid Mania Jul 22, 2023

@breadandcircuses
☠️ Filed under "Business as Usual". It's not like we haven't earned our extinction...

Adlangx Jul 22, 2023

@breadandcircuses Remember how billionaires dying in a submarine didn't really bother most people? Yeah, I'm fairly sure this sentiment is widespread.

LAF and LOVE Jul 22, 2023

@breadandcircuses THIS!

chidi_anagonye Jul 22, 2023

Let's stop saying this. It isn't entirely wrong, but it is awfully convenient for consumerism. By shifting the blame, it is absolving the consumer. A few small changes by the majority of individuals would make a noticeable difference AND cut into the profits of these companies.

Simple decisions. E.g. Go to a chicken place instead of beef. Don't buy a gas guzzler. This won't solve the problem, but it does ease off the accelerator in this full throttle race towards the cliff.

Waine Jul 22, 2023

@chidi_anagonye @breadandcircuses
Yes!
This is just an excuse to delay changing personal behaviour.

People may scoff, but I see this in the same family of discussion as blaming immigrants for poor services, while dodging taxes.

lifewithtrees Jul 22, 2023

der_erpl Jul 22, 2023

@breadandcircuses If the planet is dying because of a handful of corporations (and billionaires), it's our responsibility and vote with our wallets. Don't support big corporations. It's not easy. It's not always possible. It's must not be consistent. But we can/should try. Every little bit counts. 😊️

Jen Jul 22, 2023

@breadandcircuses yep.

I eat a low-meat diet and take short showers. Dropping that even further will make no real difference when a private jet belches out more pollution in one trip than I create in a year.

Mark Holtom (aka Kingbeard)Jul 22, 2023

er.. the source of your facts? You provide no figures, numbers, research.

In fact if I said this to a climate denier, they could rightly say, "Prove it" and I wouldn't be able to.

Grant Jul 22, 2023

#Environment #Climate #ClimateChange #ClimateCrisis #ClimateAction #ClimateJustice

Imagine how much #Pollution #Putin is responsible for, with his incessant aggressions. Just gigantic.

Paul Wermer, CC BY-NC-SA 4.0 Jul 22, 2023

@gsymon @breadandcircuses

Pollutin' Putin?

Delta Lead Jul 22, 2023

@gsymon keep you eye on the real culprits. The single biggest emitter of CO2 in the world is the US Department of Defense.

Raubkatze Jul 22, 2023

@breadandcircuses You are talking as if the meat industry wasn't such a big portion of the total emissions, an industry that would literally not exist if everyone went vegan. Of course we should tax more heavily corporations, specially those with larger carbon footprints, but a good portion of the emissions is fault of the consumers, telling people that that they should not care about their impact is very irresponsible

Alex 🇮🇹 💛 🇷🇺Jul 22, 2023

https://www.nature.com/articles/s43016-023-00795-w

No, these are facts:

Vegans, vegetarians, fish-eaters and meat-eaters in the UK show discrepant environmental impacts - Nature Food

Modelled estimates of the environmental impact of dietary choices often fail to reflect true dietary practice. This study links a dietary dataset from 55,000 UK consumers with food-level data on GHG emissions, land use, water use, eutrophication and biodiversity to compare the environmental burden of different levels of meat consumption.

Nature

Green Roc Disabled Jul 22, 2023

@breadandcircuses
And space... I wonder if reflective surfaces on thousands of satellites facing earth is possibly reflecting light back to Earth's surface.

adinfinitum Jul 22, 2023

@breadandcircuses
Actually I do not believe #gaia is dying. Merely that she is currently experiencing many environmental #issues relating to major #ClimateChaos caused primarily by a rather annoying infestation - commonly known as "the human race" or #homostupiditus

"Technical difficulties are being dealt with, #bug fixes have been deployed & our normal services will be resumed shortly."

For those of us that do continue to give a fuck! please return your seats to the upright position #mitigation & buckle your safety belts #adaptation as we have now entered the #anthropocene - you may experience some turbulence.
#Learn, #Discover, #Grow

For all those others, please carry on with your #BusinessAsUsual approach, kiss your ass goodbye and the grim-reaper will come to meet you very soon indeed.
Really there is #NothingToSeeHere

FEDIsroot

Tom Pesch Jul 22, 2023

@breadandcircuses Our planet is dying because of all of those reasons.

Hawkmoon Jul 22, 2023

If you're vegan or take other steps to think globally and act locally, you know there's serious problem.

About a third of the country doesn't want to know about climate change because it would conflict with beliefs they doubled down on for decades, namely that this isn't real.

The percentage of 330 million people who give a shit does matter. More people who care=more likely to push Congress to take this more seriously than granting more drilling rights.

GJ Groothedde 🇪🇺Jul 22, 2023

@breadandcircuses In fact, our planet isn't dying at all. We as a species, however, most certainly are.

ArtBear Jul 22, 2023

@breadandcircuses
A 3,000 head dairy farm creates more sewage pollution, than a half million ish, 500,000 head, population human city does.

Yes, fossil fuel corps are bad.
Animal ag corps are bad too, and massive users of fossil fuels.
They both tend to fund the worst politicians who divide, stall, create hate in order to not act on #climatecrisis.

Defund all 3 of them by cooking #plantbased.

Arguing over technicalities, or astro-turfed BS denialism isn't going to help us at this point. Defund all 3.

MeaTLoTioN Jul 22, 2023

@breadandcircuses I am not a vegetarian or vegan, just for the record 😂👍

jtb Jul 22, 2023

@breadandcircuses The planet won't die, we will. And some other species. And anyway statements about the future cannot be facts otherwise there would be no point in doing anything.

Rocco Dimase Jul 22, 2023

@breadandcircuses Yes and there is also #CorporateGreedCrisis aka #CostOfLivingCrisis
https://aus.social/@rockyd/110751324534151220

Rocco Dimase (@[email protected])

Attached: 1 image Yep the profit feeding frenzy

Aus.Social

TiconderogaNo1 Jul 23, 2023

@breadandcircuses Oh, thank goodness! I was starting to feel guilty about my Escalade, but I'm glad to hear that it's someone else's fault.

Julian Oliver Jul 23, 2023

@breadandcircuses And yet it would vastly slow our sleepwalk into a 3C Earth. The scientific consensus is that habitat loss is the primary driver of the mass extinction crisis, and that our meat and dairy heavy diet is reponsible for the vast majority of that biome erasure. It is also a major contributor to warming; in my home country (NZ) animal agriculture has a 48% GHG share.

The most comprehensive study to date on diet and environmental impact: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jul/20/vegan-diet-cuts-environmental-damage-climate-heating-emissions-study

Vegan diet massively cuts environmental damage, study shows

Detailed analysis finds plant diets lead to 75% less climate-heating emissions, water pollution and land use than meat-rich ones

The Guardian

Julian Oliver Jul 23, 2023

@breadandcircuses We (rich countries) need to *both* fight the powers responsible for climate and biosphere destruction, and reduce our own personal footprints. The very IPCC urges a shift toward plant-centered diets, as a core vector for mitigating the very worst effects of warming, citing habitat regeneration as a benefit to doing so.

Telling people in rich countries that they're not part of the problem, to focus solely on Goliath, only serves to dig in the damage.

Julian Oliver Jul 23, 2023

@breadandcircuses Finally, you are using the Extinction Symbol, created in 2011 to symbolise and draw attention to the Mass Extinction crisis. It is not the XR logo (a movement I have been working with since the outset). The creator of The Symbol has long urged for shared recognition of our personal agency to reduce harm to our home planet, alongside fighting ecocidal power. We not only can, but must, do both.

Derrick Jul 23, 2023

@breadandcircuses I believe this is a message that the capitalists who are destroying the planet would agree with. Since they have full regulatory capture, your memes and discontent will not have any effect on their business, but their business does still rely on us providing demand for their garbage. By us failing to take personal responsibility, we allow ourselves to continue enabling the destruction that’s being waged against us.

Kellic Tiger

Jul 23, 2023

@breadandcircuses I agree with the overall message. But I am so sick of hearing save the planet. So sick of hearing we're killing the planet. No we aren't. We're destroying an environment that allows humans to survive. The meteorite that hit Earth and kill the dinosaurs, and a lot of life on this planet. The results turned Earth's surface into a hellish nightmare. But life survived.
Same deal now. We may end up killing off most of humanity. But life will survive even if it's 1 million years from now. At the end of the day it's about saving ourselves not the planet. The planet could not give less of a s*** about humanity. It'll keep spinning and evolving perfectly fine without us.

epfi Jul 23, 2023

@breadandcircuses They profit from providing something we call "wealth", "freedom (of travel)", "modern technology" or "lifestyle" by exploiting people.

If you can post at mastodon you can be pretty sure, that you are supporting these people in at least two ways: you gift them your lifetime for an inappropriate amount of money and on top you spend your money, so in the end it's coming back to them.

You are not living in a world with problems caused by 500 people. You ARE the problem.

Lynne Jones Jul 23, 2023

@breadandcircuses And the politicians that are too weak or too self-serving to challenge the oligarchs

Weasel Jul 23, 2023

@LynneJones @breadandcircuses
Follow The Money

brewdog1950 Jul 23, 2023

It's a #costofGREEDcrisis

Dave Goldsmith Jul 23, 2023