Chad Schrock š³ļøāš
SwiftOnSecurityWhen people trust computers, what they are really doing is trusting programmers.
Which we all know can never be trusted.
The Doctor@SwiftOnSecurity ARE YOU HAPPY, CITIZEN?
Pusher Of Pixels (old account)"beware of programmers carrying screwdrivers"
I miss the days when a computer was stripped bare 10 minutes after someone quit
jnfrd Jan@SwiftOnSecurity Programmers are first and foremost people and trusting people is a silly idea.
ZaphodHarkonnen@SwiftOnSecurity As a dev? AMEN!!
Larry Garfield@SwiftOnSecurity As a programmer, I can confirm. We are not a trustworthy industry.
Manegiste Flou ā (he/him)@SwiftOnSecurity you have to be a programmer to know this.
PhD9Never Trust A Robot
Paul Wilde 
:dontpanic_nobg:@SwiftOnSecurity Worse case is they're actually trusting the people that pay the programmers... and that's MUCH worse
PPN@SwiftOnSecurity source: trust me bro, I am a programmer š¤”
Hadi@SwiftOnSecurity there are some codes that anyone can trust, so probably trustworthy software engineers exist, even though they are rare. But you are right about the majority of the industry because the majority even doesn't use statically typed languages, so safety and being trustworthy is not their concern.
Jeff Atwood@SwiftOnSecurity well thatās the whole point of my persona from day zero: https://blog.codinghorror.com/on-the-meaning-of-coding-horror/amp/
On The Meaning of āCoding Horrorā
In a recent web search, I found the following comment in a programming.reddit.com thread from eight months ago, completely by accident: I think prog.reddit will continue to move in phases... a couple of days ago, someone complained about a drop-off in Haskell articles, today there were 4
Michael Kohne@codinghorror @SwiftOnSecurity I'm pretty sure I've read that post before, but it struck me anew that someone thought that you should care about what they thought your blog should be about based on their off-the cuff reading of the name.
@mhkohne @SwiftOnSecurity first impressions are important, because if you don't make a good first impression people generally don't carry through with the effort to read and understand what you're trying to communicate.
Son of a Sailor@codinghorror Code Complete is such a phenomenal book. It was used as the primary textbook in a six-month-long client-server coding class at my former employer. (I cringe when I look back at my old Turbo Pascal i, j, k for loops from the '80's... š¤¦āāļø)
Steffen Christensen@SwiftOnSecurity I might end up trusting programmers more than computers.
Generative AI is trained on humanity's corpus. There's a lot of killer robot stories in there. SOMEONE's going to use the output of generative AI as an input to an action engine for robots someday.
I do believe that I will prefer when code monkeys think through use cases before the code gets committed.
Justin Derrick@SwiftOnSecurity What's the meme about software devs not having any smart devices in their homes, and keeping a gun next to the printer?
I'm one of them. The closest I've ever gotten is a 'Smart TV' that's never been connected to the internet, not for a moment. The only reason I haven't filled the Ethernet jack with epoxy is because I might want to jailbreak it one day.
Coyoty@JustinDerrick @SwiftOnSecurity You know they can connect wirelessly, right?
@coyoty @SwiftOnSecurity My model purposely doesn't have WiFi or Bluetooth. It was optional, I opted for "Hell no."
@JustinDerrick @SwiftOnSecurity They don't remove the capability, they turn it off. It can still connect. It's still scanning for signals including wake-on-LAN.
@coyoty @SwiftOnSecurity It was offered as a USB dongle, not 'pay to play'. This TV is just over 10 years old.
... or are you trying to social engineer me into disassembling my TV? :D
@JustinDerrick @SwiftOnSecurity If that's something you would do, I think you would do it without manipulation.
@coyoty @SwiftOnSecurity I feel like you know me a little TOO well. šā
technicat@SwiftOnSecurity And when you trust programmers, you're trusting their managers/bosses/clients.
Richard@SwiftOnSecurity We write software to meet requirements discussed between salespeople and middle managers, which is then hashed out into contracts by teams of lawyers. What could possibly go wrong?
Zorro Notorious MEB š”@SwiftOnSecurity Gerry Weinberg's famous quote about woodpeckers comes to mind.
Kirk@SwiftOnSecurity hey! I'm a programmer!
It is true of course but still...
Rawwwb
TJ Radcliffe@SwiftOnSecurity They are also trusting QA, who are at least marginally more trustworthy than programmers.
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Beebles@aa @SwiftOnSecurity took me until rn to get this . I thought you were just flaming me
Teh404Gal 
@SwiftOnSecurity nooo i can be trusted with your data ššš„ŗ, install my driver signed with my key with auto updates enabled, pwease
freebooter69@SwiftOnSecurity Except where libre software is concerned, though still keep vigilant for bad actors.
Mister Dave@SwiftOnSecurity counterpoint: a lot of people think programmers CAN be trusted.
Dany@SwiftOnSecurity That is exactly why I quit (terminated my firm) and now live in a boat. Still on some welfare program and when that ends... Dunno but I'll survive (as long as my ultimate resource* is fine).
*Nature, Earth, Water and a pinch of civilization.
ImposterArchitect
Not A Bird@SwiftOnSecurity Computers run programs that are generally deterministic and predictable. A bad algorithm is a bad algorithm, and a good algorithm is a good algorithm. Obviously open source ftw. That is all there is to it.
Alexandra Lanes@SwiftOnSecurity Iām sure someone has already linked to āReflections on Trusting Trustā so I donāt have toā¦
SpaceLifeFormDepends upon where they are employed.
Giles McAntifa@SwiftOnSecurity I am in this picture, and I do not like it.
Because it is true
Because it is true
šš²@SwiftOnSecurity Not all programmers! /me ducks
Martin Schlegel@SwiftOnSecurity Iām a programmer and I trust computers about as far as I can throw them, maybe less if it was myself doing the programming :D
@SwiftOnSecurity And think programs(ai) to write other programs(github copilot). What a world
quickhakker@SwiftOnSecurity does that include if you made the program yourself?
Eric Schiller (he/him)@SwiftOnSecurity Literally just tried explaining this to my 78 year old dad.
I donāt trust tech because I work in tech.
LeRoc@SwiftOnSecurity In the near future, computers will program themselves.
Evan@SwiftOnSecurity Iām good on all autopilot functions in cars for this reason.