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@georgetakei Misstatement of facts and outright lies are the stock and trade of conservatives.

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Screenshot of tweet by Dr. Helen Webberley: "The regret rate of gender-affirming surgery is 0.3%. The regret rate for knee replacement surgery is 6-30%. Transition regret is a false narrative being pushed by the media to prevent people from getting access to life-saving, gender-affirming healthcare."

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Sources?

@tripu @georgetakei

"In this study there were 3,398 patients, 16 mentioned regret or detransition.

12 attribute this to social pressure, and only 3 de-transitioned with no intention to transition again.

That’s 3 people from a sample of 3,398 trans people.

That’s 0.088% of people sampled. Literally less than 1 in 1000 people seeking treatment to aid transition." https://www.gendergp.com/risk-into-perspective-for-trans-patients/

#trans #TransRights #GenderAffirmingCare #LGBTQIA #LGBT #LGBTQ #TransKids #science #gender #detransitioners

Risk put into perspective for trans patients

Detransition rates and medication risks are cited as reasons for trans people not to transition. The risks are the same as other medicines.

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Tweet by Dr Helen Webberley she/her blue checkmark @HelenWebberley:
The regret rate of gender-affirming surgery is 0.3%.
The regret rate for knee replacement surgery is 6-30%.
"Transition regret" is a false narrative being pushed by the media to prevent people from getting access to life-saving, gender-affirming healthcare.
@georgetakei ...and why are people all up in what trans folks are doing? It's not their body. Just love them and stay out of their business!

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There is a study that shows conservatives respond strongly to things that disgust them.

Pair that with ad driven facebook and twitter using it to spike revenue by recommending it to conservatives.

Since Trans people are rare - most conservatives don't know one - they are more willing to other them so the bullshit levels have gone off the charts to create disgust.

The trans sports "debate" was cooked up in a think tank, wouldn't surprised if more of it was synthetic.

@georgetakei it's not just surgery.

Transition regret rate as a whole, for both adolescent and adult transitioners, is 3-4%, as detailed in this excellent roundup from March: https://medium.com/@lexi.m.henny/how-common-is-detransition-a-review-of-all-the-evidence-95518e6affe1

How Common is Detransition? A Review of all the Evidence

ABSTRACT: To better constrain estimates of the prevalence of detransition and gender-affirming surgical regret, a wide range of studies (n=34+ original studies and 2 meta-analyses) were reviewed and…

Medium
@ZoeInBinary @georgetakei And that doesn't even take into account the heavy external pressure – stigmatization and oppression from society, community, family:

@alexglow @georgetakei this is another, very good point.

I fully expect Florida or Tennessee to put out numbers in a few years with a straight face claiming 90%+ desistance - without mentioning that they legally mandated it. To say nothing of the immense societal stigmas you mentioned.

@ZoeInBinary @georgetakei Please do correct me if I'm wrong but if someone doesn't get as far as surgery then everything is reversible, right? Go off the hormones and largely revert? Not to make light of what would I'm sure be an unpleasant experience, but it'd be a bit different from trying to reverse a surgery.

@AGTMADCAT @georgetakei Hormones are generally only somewhat reversible. Things like facial hair growth don't go away if you stop taking testosterone, nor do musculoskeletal changes if you start young enough for those to be optional, but body fat distribution should.

Puberty blockers are reversible with few side effects, however, when prescribed for a small period of time (a couple years) to allow for exploratory therapy.

@ZoeInBinary @AGTMADCAT @georgetakei You know, this is completely tangential, but I just think it's so cool that we live in a day and age where we actually have any control at all over the shapes of our bodies. I remember reading a sci-fi story as a kid -- way back in the last century. Gregory Bear's Eon, if I'm not mistaken. People had their consciousness stored and then placed into whatever shaped body they wanted. Didn't even have to be human. And it was such a strange thought to me, back then. Now here we are, taking the first baby steps towards that possibility! And honestly, what does it matter what physical shape we choose to inhabit? What matters is the shape of the mind -- the person within.

@RushGirl @georgetakei Alt text:

Gender-affirming care isn't genital mutilation.
You're thinking of religion-sanctioned circumcision.

@RushGirl @georgetakei I'm one of many guys who got religion-(and larger-culture-)sanctioned circumcision as a baby. Just because we "came out ok", with sexual function and pleasure, doesn't mean that that body modification should be done to other kids without their consent!

Religious circumcision should go the way of ancient animal sacrifices.

FWIW, there are liberal Jews who reject the "need" for circumcision, and welcome babies of any gender with a nonviolent, egalitarian ceremony like Brit Shalom.

@georgetakei I appreciate the sentiment behind this but we must be careful not to misrepresent data for our own ends.

Knowing nothing of either I can only imagine circumstances such as mood going in, attitude towards the surgery (attitude in general?), hopes/expectations (met or dashed), age of patient, success rates, expected outcome, complications, pain (ongoing? chronic?), quality of life both before and after surgery, when patient is surveyed, etc could all affect/skew one's level of regret.

@thinkingoutloud @georgetakei So it should be an individual decision. That's what I'm hearing.
@georgetakei I think I know the part on knee surgery is not correct so I would like to see the source of both claims -
@erikoorthuijsen @georgetakei knee surgery regret of 6 - 30% is referenced in https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6961288/ (a Google search has various studies that mention numbers like 7%, 18% and 22% from a quick look at results)
Patients’ experiences of discontentment one year after total knee arthroplasty- a qualitative study

Total knee arthroplasty is a common procedure with generally good results. However, there are still patients who are dissatisfied without known explanation. Satisfaction and dissatisfaction have previously been captured by quantitative designs, but there ...

PubMed Central (PMC)
@georgetakei To be fair though... it takes far less approvals to be given "access" to gender-affirming surgeries than it does to get a knee replacement. So I do feel the numbers will even out when we make knee replacement people jump through the same hoops as people getting gender-affirming care...
@georgetakei Part of it is that gender-affirming surgery takes a *while* to get, plus a ton of pre-surgical work. I was on the waiting list for three years, and then I had to do weeks of electrolysis (which could get quite painful), and I had to fly to another state for the procedure. I had *every* opportunity to question how much I actually wanted this—and if I was going to regret it, I’d have changed my mind long before it was too late. (1/2)

@georgetakei Another thing that’s important to understand is that “regret” can mean a lot of things. Like, if I hypothetically regret getting surgery…maybe I regret how much time and money went into it. Or maybe I regret not going for a different kind of surgery, since there are a lot of different ones to choose from. Perhaps I regret choosing that particular surgeon. Or I might regret the backlash from horrible people.

But none of that would mean missing my former parts. (2/2)

@georgetakei this warms my heart to know that the regret rate is so low for gender affirming surgery.

@georgetakei This study isn't saying much when the response rate is only 30% which is a far cry from concluding anything beyond just a nice anecdote.

To be clear. I support and want gender-affirming care for all trans people. But this is the weakest shot across the bow I've yet to see in support of it. Given your platform, surely you (and we) can do better than a weak study with a painfully shallow conclusion?

@georgetakei 6-30% isn't a single number. I agree with your conclusion, but it's low-hanging fruit for an argument. Why do you compare a single number to a range?
@georgetakei This mostly tells me that I should definitely avoid any elective knee replacement surgery!
@georgetakei that just doesn’t make sense though does it.
@georgetakei What is the regret rate for not getting surgery sooner? Probably quite high.
@georgetakei Thanks, I was wondering about this.
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I just had a knee replacement operation yesterday. I'm still in the hospital as we speak.
@georgetakei maybe it's because I'm in a negative mood as of making this comment but I thought about sending this screenshot to my dad bit showing my dad this would be like show it to a brick wall

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The regret rate for infant circumcision is 15 to 35%.

@georgetakei To be fair, the regret rate for tendon surgery in the knees is still like 5%.

You know, the thing you can't walk right without. I'm on like my 5th one. No regrets as to that or any genital surgery.

You know what I do regret? 8 staples in one of those knees. Makes airport security extra fun.

@georgetakei if one thinks about it for just a few seconds, it only makes sense, as gender-affirming surgery is something one would think long and hard about... whereas surgery to maintain mobility would be largely considered a "no-brainer"
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It's just another narrative that suggests these people care for kids when, in reality, they do not.
@georgetakei And to top it off, most of the transition regret is either for social reasons, or because the surgery was botched. Very, very few people regret it because they weren't trans
@georgetakei And that rate is so low in part because no one is taking transitions lightly and the process intentionally takes years. Despite toxic false narratives, counselors, doctors, teachers, parents are not blithely advocating or performing surgery.

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For anyone interested this was the first journal article I discovered. The intro gives the synopsis.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8099405/

In essence the regret of those having transgender surgery is low. It supports the fact that the numbers are misrepresented in some media outlets.

Regret after Gender-affirmation Surgery: A Systematic Review and Meta-analysis of Prevalence

Supplemental Digital Content is available in the text.There is an unknown percentage of transgender and gender non-confirming individuals who undergo gender-affirmation surgeries (GAS) that experiences regret. Regret could lead to physical and mental ...

PubMed Central (PMC)
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@georgetakei the regret rate for cosmetic surgery is 65%
@georgetakei even if the regret rate was 100%, it wouldn't be anyone else's business so...
@georgetakei leave the kids alone 😔
@yaseen Yes. Stop making laws prohibiting care for them.
@georgetakei Why is the knee replacement surgery a range of 6-30%?
@georgetakei so 1/333 apprpxiamately, informed consent is important and getting that number down is crucial still. (ik, im being captain obvious)

@georgetakei We need to outlaw Knee Replacement Surgery!

-Republicans if they didn't outlaw mathbooks in school.

@georgetakei On the GOP logic, we should ban knee replacement surgery.
@georgetakei it would be nice some pretty statistics to support the argument and be more prepared