I don’t like to mention that rich guy over at #Twitter, but he’s rambling on about #ClimateChange & agriculture, which is in my wheelhouse. And he is also unabashedly & absurdly wrong.

Misinformation on climate change is irresponsible & dangerous, so let’s be clear:

25% to 30% of global emissions come from our #food system.

As UT Austin’s Michael Webber describes, agriculture is a major cause, victim and - importantly - meaningful solution to #climate change.

More at https://ourworldindata.org/greenhouse-gas-emissions-food

How much of global greenhouse gas emissions come from food?

Estimates of food emissions can range from one-quarter to one-third. Where do these differences come from?

Our World in Data
@Sheril #Musk has a wrong opinion on pretty much everything. Yet, he seems to think he matters. Wealth does not make anyone "right" or worth listening to.
@thinking_images @Sheril He’s a sociopath.
@lzvolk @thinking_images @Sheril I wish people would stop paying so much attention to this sociopathic windbag.
@glennmagusharvey @thinking_images @Sheril Exactly. A trait of sociopaths is narcissism and addiction to attention, both good and bad.
@thinking_images @Sheril the really sad thing is his opinion does matter because a bunch of mindless sheep nod in agreement to whatever he claims is true

@thinking_images @Sheril

It doesn't make him right, but wealth does make millions listen to him.

Daily Tucker's megaphone at Fox got the attention of 2.5 to 3 million people.

Musk's toy reaches 140 million.

He matters. He shouldn't, but this is the world we live in.

@Sheril off the top of my head, I might guess that he isn't clear on where tons of fertilizer comes from, where fuel to run tractors and combines comes from, or where the waste products coming out of factory-farmed chicken houses or or of cattle feed lot operations goes.
@Bodling @Sheril Don’t forget the impact on topsoil of mono-culture, large-scale farming. Native biomes had much deeper soil layers, which contains a lot of carbon. Making that go away has been modern-human caused. We could probably improve that w low-till methods, etc.
@Bodling @Sheril Elmo is probably planning to hype a vaporware "Cybertractor" to go with his ridiculous "Cybertruck" and tell farmers using those will save the planet.
@Bodling
All that, and also methane's role in climate change, and it's prominent sources, the effect clear-cutting has etc.
@Sheril
@Sheril with advancements towards automation and renewable energy sources being put use.
Would it not drastically cut emissions?
Only if implemented it's hard to change the older generation because of stubbornness.
@Sheril We have to remember that he is a genius tho, so by default he is right.

@WhyNotZoidberg @Sheril Elon Musk is a genius in the same way cartoonist Scott Adams is a genius.

And that meets my quota of mentions of Scott Adams for the foreseeable future.

@Sheril I'm looking forward to the day he starts advocating for the Flat Earth Society.

@Sheril

Aside from being ignorant, what’s with Muskivite’s little photo? The ‘Fascist’ stare into the distance of a golden future? He’s got more money than brains.

@Sheril What is this "will" business? As if he's giving some sort of early warning about something nobody else has noticed so far. Geez, thanks, Elon. We'd better make sure not to burn all that coal and oil and gas we [checks notes] already burned... Oopsy!
@Sheril *raises a beer* To agriculture, the cause of--and solution to--all of life's climate change

@Sheril

As if we needed more proof the #ElongatedMuskrat is a complete #dumbass

@Sheril
He doesn't sell solutions to the greenhouse gases arising from our food systems though. Not that he actually gives a shit about our #ClimateCrisis https://mastodon.social/@elonjet/110576168698767121
@Sheril That's incredible that Mollusk can tell such a huge lie without being bothered.
@Sheril I'm fairly sure he's so ridiculously wrong that no person capable of rational thought would agree with him. Which renders his opinion largely irrelevant.
@Sheril He mentions everything on earth's surface, like gas can't be spread in the atmosphere, incredible.
@Sheril it's time to brains test people before they are allowed become wealthy

@Sheril I think what people always forget is that carbon models are always compartmentalized — but good production touches *everything*. And conventional farming uses *tons* of fossil fuels, at every step in the process.

Also, deforestation is a huge problem in terms of both new emissions but also our ability to sequester old ones.

@Sheril and deforestation to provide land for cattle to graze removes a major carbon sink.

@Sheril

Agreed. While Musk is correct that reliance on oil, coal, and gas is a big contributor to GG emissions, he's wrong to negate our current agricultural practices' contribution to GG emissions (particularly the overproduction of meat). I myself am vegan, and I feel that society needs to lower its meat consumption to help lower GG emissions.

@Sheril Today’s billionaires believe their bank accounts make them always right.

@Sheril I assumed that he was wrong because

1) he's usually wrong

and

2) even my limited knowledge of agriculture led me to believe that it has a significant impact on climate.

Thank you for the expert point of view.

@Sheril I wonder how he thinks fossil fuels get into the atmosphere, without involving processes on the Earth's surface. All of the industries and transportation vehicles and farms are on the surface. If humans on the surface didn't use fossil fuels, we wouldn't be digging them up in the first place. Oil isn't just magically evaporating from deep underground, skipping the surface and messing up the atmosphere.

Sure we can ignore Elon, but this nonsense got millions of views

@treadlightly @Sheril
Essentially you say the same as Elon Musk, except he didn't write explicitly how that carbon is moved into the atmosphere.
Did you make up your mind that he was wrong before reading the message?

@kjetil_kilhavn @Sheril I absolutely read the message first and went to Twitter to read the thread in context and I completely resent the accusation.

The tweet begins by saying, "what happens on the Earth's surface (eg farming) has no meaningful impact on climate change"

That's ludicrous. What happens on the surface, including farming, is almost the entire how and why of climate change. Did you read the tweet?

@Sheril Briefly started getting involved in that row too but it's just that Simpsons meme experience as always. It does mean I have the link to the IPCC Special Report on climate and land use handy, if anyone wants it: https://www.ipcc.ch/srccl/
Special Report on Climate Change and Land — IPCC site

@Sheril

First Musk came for high speed rail and then I knew he was full of sh*t.

https://amp.fresnobee.com/opinion/editorials/article264451076.html

@Sheril sez the guy whose rocket company spewed as much CO2 as 2 billion people
@Sheril I mean, one key parameter that describes "what happens on earth's surface" is surface albedo, and last I checked, it's kind of an important parameter...
@Sheril he didn’t ‘earn’ his obscene wealth, he inherited it. He’s not making the world a better place with that vast sum of money, he’s FUCKING destroying it.

@Sheril A significant, if not predominant, proportion of carbon footprint within the “#food system” comes from direct or indirect usage of fossil fuels, which include energy supply, fertilisers, supply chain and logistics, packaging / plastics, cooking and serving etc.

Therefore, from a purely scientific perspective, I am not sure your challenge to Musk’s statement stands as you might be speaking of similar things just in different terms.

@alexgranford @Sheril
Well put. I personally dislike the guy greatly, but like anything, something can be right or wrong in different contexts. A broken clock is right at least twice a day (assuming 12 hr clock).

If we remove fossil sources from the farming industry, would it not become a closed system? The carbon used by the plants when growing would release when consumed, only to be recaptured with the next crop growth?

Hence his tweet. The problem lies in pulling carbon deep from ground.

@Sheril Elon’s understanding of the issue seems exactly as deep as a seventh grader’s poster depicting the carbon cycle. Is that a coincidence or has he literally learned nothing since middle school?

@Sheril

This tells us that Mr Musk doesn't spend much time in the countryside.

Has he ever, on a hot sunny summer's day, walked across a ploughed field and into a natural forest? Or perhaps flown a glider over a similar landscape?

Well if he has, then he is either unobservant, or just plain dumb.

@gsymon @Sheril I'm voting for dumb

@Wolleysegap @Sheril

I actually wouldn't be at all surprised if he has never done it. The irony is, that many people with an opinion on climate change have never done it either and yet it's literally all you have to do, to fully understand the effects of deforestation. Then when you think about e.g. what Europe would look like if humanity hadn't chopped down all those trees...

@Sheril Sacha Baron Cohen must call out the dangerous hypocrisy of Climate change denial
@Sheril & simply because he has billions his message will reach millions and yours won’t, welcome to our awesome system

@Sheril

It would have been more entertaining had he blamed Hobbits or Norwegian trolls digging for gold, and, so it seems, just as accurate.

(Why do so many combines burn to a crisp in fields lately?)

@Sheril He's put himself in a position where his main source of income has to do with electric cars (i.e. relying on concern about climate change) while he simultaneously desperately wants to be loved by a group of people who think that climate change is a woke conspiracy.

So now he's trying to find some way to reconcile those two unreconcilable positions.

@Sheril
Some people really need to take a long holiday in an uncertified submersible.
@Sheril where does he think fertilizer comes from?

@Sheril

If you are still at Twitter, you are supporting Elon Musk and his dirty doings.

@Sheril Elon Musk wants to start his own nation on Mars where he knows Earth countries can’t touch him. Slavery would return since he doesn’t have to oblige by any kind of national laws. We’re literally looking at a potential world that is Mobile Suit Gundam without the mechs and a few years after that there will probably be mechs.
@MotherOfMercy @Sheril Elon Musk wants to do that, but I don't think he'll ever pull off doing a successful landing on a non-Earth body, let alone setting up a colony.

He's too incompetent for that and I don't think his engineers are capable of doing it..