Quinn NelsonYou can now get a base-model Tesla Model 3 for $30,330 with the now-$7,500 federal tax credit and price markdowns. Say what you will about Tesla but you’re not going to find a better new car than that at such a price. Fantastic deal for a very good car.
(MOVED) Zack Apiratitham@snazzyq You’re killing me here. I really want a Tesla but I also don’t want one. But these recent price decreases have been really tempting 😩
kitten/bridgett/rosalina 
@snazzyq good price i guess, yeah. but you’re supporting a far-right transphobe at the same time :(
Glenn Fleishman@snazzyq what happens when I slip and Elon wishes me into the corn field?
internets@snazzyq just can’t
Joe Beam@snazzyq
Say what you will about the car, I am never giving any money to the shit posting racist.
https://www.npr.org/2021/10/05/1043336212/tesla-racial-discrimination-lawsuit
Mario Guzmán@snazzyq sure but I can’t bring myself to buy something from a company whose CEO is super transphobic among many other awful things.
Shawn Platkus@marioguzman @snazzyq I’m pretty sure you’ve done this many times with companies who have less visible CEOs but just as horrible.
Jason Schertzinger 
@snazzyq Elon keeps making it harder and harder to want a Tesla, but I try to remember that he's only 1 of around 100k employees, and I'm not hurting him by not getting the right vehicle at the right price for my family.
If the board sees that he is hurting the brand among non-cultists and that cutting prices is the only way to maintain demand, I hope they'll give him the boot.
Ted Todorov@virtzinger @snazzyq Tesla is the only car company that doesn’t advertise, while GM, Ford, Toyota, etc. spend billions of $$ *each* a year, and yet all put together sell a small fraction of EVs compared to Tesla. Indeed the Model Y is the best selling car (not EV) in the world.
While I agree that Musk buying Twitter was really dumb, the idea that firing him would help Tesla sales would be equally stupid. Musk functions under “there is no such thing as bad publicity”
While I agree that Musk buying Twitter was really dumb, the idea that firing him would help Tesla sales would be equally stupid. Musk functions under “there is no such thing as bad publicity”
@TedTodorov @snazzyq I believe that firing Musk would result in Tesla producing a better product. His extensive cost cutting measures and over reliance on Vision (removal of USS and rain sensors) and his hubris (yoke and removal of stalks, absurd FSD pricing) have made the product worse.
Absolutely there was a time in Tesla's history that it needed someone like him to take big risks, but I think that time is past and he's actively detrimental to the company now, both from a product and brand association perspective.
@virtzinger @snazzyq the yoke is polarizing, but some users prefer it, and at any rate new buyers now have a choice for the Models S & X between a conventional wheel and a yoke. The lower prices only benefit users — the alternative is higher prices and lower production, which benefits only the competitors (even with low prices Tesla has the best margins)
The jury is still out on Vision — the fact is that Autopilot is still radically better than Blue Cruise/Super Cruise.
The jury is still out on Vision — the fact is that Autopilot is still radically better than Blue Cruise/Super Cruise.
g.earth@TedTodorov i have the yoke and LOVE it, minus the dumb off-center horn button. Also, early ones would peel with wear, but they replace them under warranty, and new revision fixes this. Tesla still needs Elon during this growth (to 20 million per year) phase. And they’re going to do it as long as he’s in charge.
macsimcon@snazzyq The Toyota Prius starts at $27,450, has been around 20 years longer than the Model 3, has sold 5M more units than the Model 3, and is from a brand which has been around for 60 years longer than Tesla. And it is a hybrid, so doesn't need to rely on charging infrastructure.
L'égrégore André ꕭꕬ@macsimcon @snazzyq I'm still not convinced, so tell me – does it burst into flames at inopportune times? That's the feature I'm looking for in a car.
@Mabande I was going to mention that, but it seemed argumentative…and Toyota has had issues with their cars accelerating out of control.
@macsimcon @Mabande It is not argumentative, but statistically proven the EVs are the least likely to have fires, ICE cars are at least 10X likelier to catch fire and Hybrid ICE cars are the likeliest of all to have fires. Look it up if you don’t believe me.
@TedTodorov @Mabande I believe you, I just think it’s a matter of exposed area. The entire bottom of a Tesla is batteries. A piece of debris punctures one and now you have a fire which cannot be extinguished without hundreds of gallons of water over many hours. This problem doesn’t occur with hybrid or ICE cars.
@macsimcon If it was a genuine problem, the statistics wouldn’t be so lopsided in EVs favor. Most EV batteries fires have happened due to battery defects (like the Chevy Bolt LG batteries (all Bolt’s were recalled and the recent Ford F-150 battery problem that caused them to halt manufacturing). The overall design is safe and works.
Yes, fire departments need to be trained in battery fires - part of the problem is there are too few of them. ICE fires: one of the many I saw on the NJ Turnpike:
Yes, fire departments need to be trained in battery fires - part of the problem is there are too few of them. ICE fires: one of the many I saw on the NJ Turnpike:
@TedTodorov There aren’t enough EVs on the road to support this statement. When half the cars are EVs, and we haven’t seen a dramatic increase in battery fires, I’ll believe it.
@macsimcon @snazzyq I’ve owned both. There is absolutely no contest, the Model 3 is 10000x better !!! In fact it’s the best car I’ve ever owned (and I’ve had a bunch).
Wraithe @ PAX EAST@macsimcon @snazzyq Also the new Prius is pretty slick looking, you’re not giving a fucked up lunatic billionaire money AND the build quality & reliability on the worst Toyota is likely better than anything you’ll find on a Tesla 3 (my dad is still driving a 30+ year old Toyota pickup)
Avi Rappoport (avirr)@Wraithe @macsimcon @snazzyq We have over 200K miles on our Prius, going fine. Next one will be a plug in hybrid though
Bynkii@Wraithe @macsimcon @snazzyq my son’s getting a new car soon. It’s going to be a Kia Rio. Why?
Sticker: $17.8K, he has $5000/$6000 as a down.
Mileage: 36 combined, 41 highway.
Comes with CarPlay on the lowest model, a great warranty and he can actually afford it.
EVs and hybrids are priced out of a big chunk of the market, he couldn’t charge an EV at home anyway, so that’s a problem. Nor could he charge at work.
And again: the cheapest EVs are around $10K more, & hybrids are not much better
Brandon Butler@snazzyq Isn’t the Bolt a better cheaper option?
Paul Salzman 
@snazzyq that’s a snazzy deal but everyone needs to consult their insurance company before signing up for any Tesla. I compared insurance of new Model 3 to new BMW 3-Series and the Tesla was DOUBLE!
I also learned from a client who sells insurance that Progressive has stopped writing insurance for new Tesla business.
You can’t get that $ back in fuel savings.
@paul It’s always so interesting from state to state. My EVs are less than half what my ICE cars are.
@snazzyq that is interesting. I’ll have to ask some people in other states.
I’m in Washington State where Teslas are as common as Camrys. You would think insurance would be lower here.
@TedTodorov @snazzyq While I agree with this, at this time it would be in error to buy a Model 3 over a comparable other car factoring in its fuel cost savings as part of your decision. Considering that and their substandard service experience, I think I’ll keep driving ICE.
Other brands’ lack of a reliable charging network counts them out to me. Tesla (and soon Ford) totally win with Supercharger Stations.
Incidentally, Polestar 2 insurance is at a similar rate to BMW 3-series.
stusmith@snazzyq …. new ‘electric’ car.
Fixed!
Jordan 
@snazzyq I really want one but we live over 2.5 hours from a dealer. I can’t drive that far every time it simply needs to be serviced 🥲
@snazzyq best car for the money, hands down!! There is no other EV I’d rather own anywhere near its price range. I miss my Model 3 very much (switched to S Plaid).