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elliot 🇩🇪 🇪🇺 🇬🇧 🏳️‍🌈

The #Bible has been removed from libraries in Utah after a parent used a new law that permits the removal of "pornographic".

The parent argued that the Bible contained topics such as incest, bestiality, genital mutilation, and infanticide, making it pornographic under the new definition set forth in Utah Code Ann. § 76-10-1227.

A GOP lawmaker expressed "sadness" regarding the situation.

https://www.ksl.com/article/50657730/davis-district-pulls-bible-from-elementaries-junior-highs-due-to-vulgarity-or-violence

#BookBans #USA

Davis District pulls Bible from elementaries, junior highs 'due to vulgarity or violence'

The Bible has been removed from all elementary and junior high school libraries throughout the Davis School District after someone challenged its contents.

Jun 2, 2023 at 6:57amWeb
Show threadCycling StuJun 2, 2023
@els76uk I would argue it has caused more problems than a lot of the books that they have removed previously
Show threadDarwin WoodkaJun 2, 2023
@stufromoz @els76uk the most problems indeed, apparently it makes people crazy and stupid and hateful
Show threadMinisterofimpedimentsJun 2, 2023
@darwinwoodka @stufromoz @els76uk …no. Unfortunately it merely enables the crazy, stupid, and hateful. They don’t use it for salvation, merely interpret it to validate whatever worldview they already hold
Show threadStuart BlairJun 4, 2023
@ministerofimpediments @darwinwoodka @stufromoz @els76uk it's almost as though the Bible is a Rorschach Test for the morally-challenged.
Show threadMinisterofimpedimentsJun 4, 2023
@stuartblair @darwinwoodka @stufromoz @els76uk Again, no…I don’t think so. Morality is a slippery slope idea. I’m sure plenty of those that have used the Bible as a tool against others have believed themselves to be morally correct. So that kinda doesn’t work. A test of comprehension possibly. Too many people interpret instead of understand. Religions are lead by people. People framing ideas/agendas as religious (via the Bible) have started plenty of wars.
Show threadMinisterofimpedimentsJun 4, 2023
@stuartblair @darwinwoodka @stufromoz @els76uk And I’m not grinding an ax on the Bible either. The Bible is just a book. It’s the belief behind the book that causes the problems. The New Testament is actually pretty benign (compared to the OT). I’ve always found it interesting that a lot of Christians live in the OT (Hebrew) or book of Revelations…instead of the actual gospels to make a point.
Show threadStuart BlairJun 4, 2023

@ministerofimpediments @darwinwoodka @stufromoz @els76uk exactly my point. The Bible can be used provide a justification for their actions. If they're conservative, they'll go to Leviticus or Exodus, if they're progressive, they'll go with the gospels.

That's what makes it like a Rorschach Test. The bits people rely on to justify their actions say more about them than the actual text which, as you point out, is just a book. Some will see butterflies, others will see demons.

Show threadMinisterofimpedimentsJun 4, 2023
@stuartblair @darwinwoodka @stufromoz @els76uk I still have to think no. I’m not particularly religious but I can’t consider the Bible a ‘test’ (Koran, Torah,etc). It’s a book. Imposing a label of test on it is basically just us testing ourselves instead.
The other reason is…I can use Wikipedia to justify my thoughts/opinions too, but it’s not the same. It’s the weight of faith and belief behind these things that is the driving force. And that’s a human thing.
Show threadBurr DemingJun 5, 2023

@ministerofimpediments @stuartblair @darwinwoodka @stufromoz @els76uk
There is some danger of missing the point.

It isn't to show the Bible is bad.
It's to show the law is bad.

If I can ban your "To Kill a Mockingbird",
you can ban my Bible.

Which might help me to understand
the pure evil of banning your book.

Show threadMinisterofimpedimentsJun 5, 2023
@BurrLand01 @stuartblair @darwinwoodka @stufromoz @els76uk 100% agree. That the stupid law literally covers the Bible is the point. That this is some sort of revenge or test or the Bible itself is at fault is the wrong point and why I think it went down the rabbit hole.
In short; bad people write bad laws and end up with unexpected consequences…that basically everyone expected.
Show thread🇺🇦 Lauteshirn 🏳️‍🌈Jun 2, 2023
@els76uk It's good to see that there are people who are fighting back and trying to defend free speech!
Show threadelliot 🇩🇪 🇪🇺 🇬🇧 🏳️‍🌈Jun 2, 2023
@lauteshirn I'm surprised it took this long before someone pointed out how inappropriate the bible is for children. and that none of the lawmakers can even see that!
Show threadMarco L. GatoJun 3, 2023

@els76uk @lauteshirn

Because they don't actually read it

Show threadL'égrégore André ꕭꕬJun 3, 2023
@marcolgato @els76uk @lauteshirn Or, when they do, think it's okay cause it's "their" book, not their enemy's.
Show threadtoolbear#🪧Jun 3, 2023

@Mabande

"DING!"

@marcolgato @els76uk @lauteshirn

Show threadtoolbear#🪧Jun 3, 2023
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TestYourStrengthGame
Show threadHoward Chu @ SymasJun 5, 2023
@els76uk @lauteshirn I'm surprised it's still taking so long for someone to point out how inappropriate it is to try to shield children from awareness of the world in which they live. As if they can't already see that all around them!
Show threadMelissa BearTrix 🏳️‍⚧️Jun 2, 2023

@els76uk best laugh I have had today ... Giggles ... Thank you for sharing

Hugz & xXx

Show threadHeadPlugJun 2, 2023
@els76uk sex happens. It's time parents realised that learning about it early on in a safe environment is better than #16andpregnant
Show threadSte CookJun 2, 2023
@els76uk There's nothing I enjoy more than watching leopards eating people's faces.
Show threadAnvil of TruthJun 2, 2023
@Polypompholyx @els76uk Perhaps with the exception of watching people eating their own faces😚
Show threadKenneth John BardsleyJun 2, 2023
@els76uk
Bloody hell !
Show threadElliott Bignell Слава Україні!Jun 2, 2023

@els76uk But, but... I didn't see that one coming.

Honest.

Show threadFardels BearJun 2, 2023

@els76uk

Thoughts and prayers...

Show threadelliot 🇩🇪 🇪🇺 🇬🇧 🏳️‍🌈Jun 2, 2023
@riggbeck 🤣
Show threadWitek KowalikJun 2, 2023

@els76uk @riggbeck
The old American special!
Third American export product after liberty and democracy.

XD

Show threadRobertWTJun 2, 2023
@els76uk Also pedophilia, see Kings XXX. Abishag the Shunamite...
Show threadLance (Thank you for 11 Views)Jun 2, 2023
@els76uk It'll be interesting to see if future censorship laws include qualifiers protecting "classic" or religious literature.
Show threadBilly SmithJun 2, 2023

@analogfusion @els76uk

Then define the scientific method as a faith-based religion, where the faith is based around believing in replicability, a faith in objectivity, and a faith in the consistency of physical reality.

Then it's impossible to ban. :D

Show threadLance (Thank you for 11 Views)Jun 2, 2023

@BillySmith @els76uk I like the deviousness you propose.

Unfortunately by conflating science with faith, you're playing into the hands of those who take that tactic when it comes to denying established science. So it could ultimately weaken real science in popular opinion.

Show threadBilly SmithJun 2, 2023

@analogfusion @els76uk

I would say that it's more a faith-in-the-process-of-science.

Agreed about the long-term potential weakening.

Show threadLance (Thank you for 11 Views)Jun 2, 2023
@BillySmith @els76uk I don't disagree with the idea of putting faith in the scientific process. I'm just reticent about introducing the term when talking to people whose book banning is based in "faith."
Show threadBilly SmithJun 2, 2023

@analogfusion @els76uk

It's based on the Flying Spaghetti Monster approach. :D

Show threadBilly SmithJun 2, 2023

@analogfusion @els76uk

If you don't know the story, back in the early 2000's, there was a group of Creationists who were arguing that their Creation Science should be taught in schools in science classes.

The people who came up with the concept of the FSM argued that their "science" should be taught as well, and they used all of the same arguments that the Creationists were using, so that the Creationists couldn't attack their arguments as it would destroy their own. :D

Show threadBilly SmithJun 2, 2023

@analogfusion @els76uk

It's also rooted in Godel's Incompleteness Theorem, as well as Stallman's insight that gave rise to the GPL. :D

Show threadLance (Thank you for 11 Views)Jun 2, 2023

@BillySmith @els76uk As a former creationist of many years (young earth then old earth), I encountered the FSM on occasion. 🙂

I'm not familiar with the incompleteness theorem, but I do know a bit about Stallman, Raymond and the GPL.

Show threadCsepp 🌢Jun 2, 2023
@analogfusion @els76uk Would that protect Sappho's poems?
Show threadLance (Thank you for 11 Views)Jun 2, 2023
@csepp @els76uk I'm sure they'd find a way to exclude even ancient erotic literature.
Show threadJim GoodallJun 2, 2023
@els76uk it seems in this case, the punishment fits the crime.
Show threadJen in MotionJun 2, 2023
@els76uk this is what they reap by playing stupid games
Show threadex or current IDF unwelcomeJun 2, 2023
@els76uk Well done parents of #Utah. Have you checked the declaration of Indpendence and the constitution - surely slavery must be mentioned in one.
Show threadLevkaJun 2, 2023
@JohnLoader6 @els76uk
Before the country even existed, the Declaration of Independence defined America as a racist state.
https://twitter.com/intercepts1a/status/1405906306922213380
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Show threadDavid BremnerJun 2, 2023
@els76uk Oh, I had an aphorism about that, but I think it's from a banned book, so I better not.
(Mathew 26:52).
Show threadAlisonW ♿🏳️‍🌈♾️Jun 2, 2023
@els76uk
Do as you would be done by
Show threadEspinadaJun 2, 2023
@els76uk so now they can tell the kids whatever they want since they won’t be able to fact check. Looks like Utah has dropped Mormonism and is now the new Catholic Church.
Show threadstrwbrryJenJun 2, 2023

@zuzuruz @els76uk im currently living utah and nope still mormon; its a shadow theocracy here. the only difference i see if they coax people into having 6 kids vs 12 kids.

you wouldnt believe how many poeple ive met whove been completely messed up by the mormon church

Show threadDamnKimberleeJun 2, 2023
@strwbrryJen organized religion is never good for the people. Never.
Show threadBlueintheSouthJun 3, 2023
@damnkimberlee @strwbrryJen it's good for those in power
Show threadDamnKimberleeJun 3, 2023
@BlueintheSouth exactly. That’s why we have to help people see—faith is free, organized religion is a form of manipulation you submit to and it’s being exploited by the enemy. But i have no idea how to make people see their confirmed biases are wrong when media is amplifying those biases for political purposes.
Show threadBob IrvingJun 2, 2023
@els76uk the people who are "sad" about this most likely haven't read the whole bible. And have viewed the rest through stained-glass-colored glasses.
Show threadelliot 🇩🇪 🇪🇺 🇬🇧 🏳️‍🌈Jun 2, 2023
@birv2 they're probably just sad because they know they fcuked up. again.
Show threadKerri LevineJun 2, 2023
@els76uk
Show threadelliot 🇩🇪 🇪🇺 🇬🇧 🏳️‍🌈Jun 2, 2023
@RushGirl not sure why you sent me that; but actually, someone on the other social network who describes himself as a "doctor against gender affirming care" liked a post of mine. I considered pointing out circumcision but decided instead to block him
Show threadMeow.tar.gz  Jun 2, 2023
@els76uk This is just awesome. You've got to love it when the Christofacists have their law used against them! Fucking-100%-A!
Show threadEspinadaJun 2, 2023
@els76uk Bible and hand cream. Doors locked, leave me alone!
Show threadSean Eric FaganJun 2, 2023
@els76uk In one district, and still present in high schools.
Show threadJ$Jun 2, 2023

@els76uk As the great and partially late philosophers Mel & Kim sang: PREDICTABLE!

Yet a free speech win this is not. Banning an ancient text full of (from an ahistoric/contemporanist point of view) obscene content is not a reductio ad absurdum invalidating the banning of books altogether. Wish it were so simple.

Show threadAnvil of TruthJun 2, 2023
@js @els76uk But is does point out the dangers of banning books to the ignorant masses of Christian crypto-fascists in a way that perhaps 3% of them have the intellectual clarity to absorb.
Show threadApprentice Bodega Cat 🐈‍⬛Jun 2, 2023
@els76uk
Show threadTim Ward ⭐🇪🇺🔶 #FBPEJun 2, 2023
@els76uk Everybody who has ever been a schoolboy in an RE lesson knows that the bible has dirty bits ...