honestly the biggest problem here is that i have high charisma and intelligence and i should be able to roll to convert the space marines to my side

because fuck the emperor

also like i didn't build my current character this way, but what if i went full strength/endurance/agility build

like i literally rip deathclaws apart with my bare hands

what if i'm a walking uber ork in human skin and they don't even know

i found a massive post about space marine feats lol

https://np.reddit.com/r/Thevexarecool/comments/jbsqpz/respect_space_marines_warhammer_40k/

space marine spit is acidic and can burn through human tissue

apparently this is book lore canon

alright this one is problematic lol

again, makes no sense, but whatever. fine

so that round going through your helmet is still going through your helmet?

fine by me xD

there is a story about an unarmored space marine literally face tanking a heavy machine gun

i am going to disregard that because the power level of that instance far exceeds even the other batshit anecdotes

it would be like writing a novel where batman arm wrestles superman and wins

no tricks, no preparation, author just decided batman needed superman level strength for some reason

their armor is weak at the joints. this is painted as a plus because a marine got shot in the knee and stumbled but recovered

the point is your armor has weak points even beyond your eyes tho xD

there is a story about a space marine annoyed instead of injured when someone explodes his flamer and sets his head on fire

i simply wish to point out that in an official warhammer episode a blood angel had his flamer explode and he literally lost his left arm lol

in that show their captain also lost his left arm and there's a funny moment when they meet

two armored space marines, having lost their left arms

a lot of these feats are just the authors not understanding how like... basic physics works lol

is there magic in 40k. like for space marines. literal magic. because that's what you'd need

like consistently shooting a coin at 3km is not just space marines being super cool and having good sensors

there's... a lot to unpack in that kind of thing

being gyrostabilized like... no lol

i see why the 40k nerds say the bolter is like an automatic grenade launcher

these book authors are wild lol they treat each bolter round like a grenade

not a mini-grenade

like an obscenely big grenade

i am not going to even discuss the chainsword because that thing makes no sense

in fairness fallout has rippers and chainsaws xD

nothing about the bolter makes sense

it is just a magic weapon

it's supposed to be super efficient gyrojet futuristic bolter but also it's damn heavy and a normal person can't lift it

😖

there is literally no reason the bolter should be heavy

you literally designed it to be all cool so it doesn't have to be

imagine if star wars was like "oh yeah also the lightsaber is super heavy. only the jedi can wield it by using the force to lift it"

it's that level of wtf

/r/warhammer40k: "we hate this. space marines are invincible and never die"

/r/40klore: "here's all the times they died to kitchen knives and shit"

so a common theme of space marines getting murked is a buncha people just burying them under bodies

in other words, drop a tank on them then stab their exposed bits

depending on author one might decide the space marine can pinky flip the tank tho

apparently a chaos marine got killed by an elevator falling on him

literally had an elevator dropped on him lol

anyway, given how resource intensive it is to train and outfit one single ass space marine, the 40k universe should have developed fancy ass missiles to just target space marines at this point

yes that missile cost ten million money

it still cost way less than that space marine did

it's particularly bonkers given the scale of the warhammer universe

that cost is a drop in the bucket, and space marines are a finite, very limited, commodity

just blow them the fuck up

space marines would never survive in 40k

"i can run through walls and face tank heavy machine guns"

*drops a fucking nuke on you*

lasguns are significantly weaker than even civilian laser pistols in fallout lore

yeah i'm pretty sure i am gonna one round vats that squad down now

also lasguns can recharge... from solar? the fuck how long would that take xD

i feel like i've watched astartes before

seems vaguely familiar

i think i figured it out

not only are 40k fans just fanatically horny about space marines, they also seem to be largely unaware of any other universe

also i felt like wargamers in general would have a better grasp of military logistics, but i am getting the feeling that the 40k base is actually really split between the wargaming, the collecting/painting, and the lore

there are some people who are just in it for the lore and don't play or own any minis

the problem is that this is a miserable return on resource investment in the 40k universe where this is scaled up tremendously

a few thousand space marines? tens of thousands?

in 40k lore there are quadrillions. a galactic ocean of randos with lasguns

if you want historical, real life precedent, special forces are wiped out or forced to retreat by conventional forces all the damned time

are you really gonna risk 20 space marines to tie up 100 orks?

1,000? 10,000?

it's pretty well-established that a whole host of things can grease space marines. using them like shock troops (as widely depicted in the lore and cinematics i have seen) is wildly irresponsible and likely ineffective

"we sent the space marines in and they KILLED EVERYONE"
if you wanna kill everyone you just level the place. stand off and use explosives. what the hell are you doing

space marines in 40k aren't shown to do any of the actually special things real life special forces do

their lore dictates that only they can do/use their Cool Guy shit and toys, so they can't even train a partisan force

sneak over here and plant a bomb

aren't they expert tacticians? you should be laying battle plans and setting the stage for how your overwhelming conventional forces secure victory

i'm being told the imperium of man might have extremely limited capability to actually manufacture weapons of war

standby for lore checking and rage