nothing about the bolter makes sense

it is just a magic weapon

it's supposed to be super efficient gyrojet futuristic bolter but also it's damn heavy and a normal person can't lift it

😖

there is literally no reason the bolter should be heavy

you literally designed it to be all cool so it doesn't have to be

imagine if star wars was like "oh yeah also the lightsaber is super heavy. only the jedi can wield it by using the force to lift it"

it's that level of wtf

/r/warhammer40k: "we hate this. space marines are invincible and never die"

/r/40klore: "here's all the times they died to kitchen knives and shit"

so a common theme of space marines getting murked is a buncha people just burying them under bodies

in other words, drop a tank on them then stab their exposed bits

depending on author one might decide the space marine can pinky flip the tank tho

apparently a chaos marine got killed by an elevator falling on him

literally had an elevator dropped on him lol

anyway, given how resource intensive it is to train and outfit one single ass space marine, the 40k universe should have developed fancy ass missiles to just target space marines at this point

yes that missile cost ten million money

it still cost way less than that space marine did

it's particularly bonkers given the scale of the warhammer universe

that cost is a drop in the bucket, and space marines are a finite, very limited, commodity

just blow them the fuck up

space marines would never survive in 40k

"i can run through walls and face tank heavy machine guns"

*drops a fucking nuke on you*

lasguns are significantly weaker than even civilian laser pistols in fallout lore

yeah i'm pretty sure i am gonna one round vats that squad down now

also lasguns can recharge... from solar? the fuck how long would that take xD

i feel like i've watched astartes before

seems vaguely familiar

i think i figured it out

not only are 40k fans just fanatically horny about space marines, they also seem to be largely unaware of any other universe

also i felt like wargamers in general would have a better grasp of military logistics, but i am getting the feeling that the 40k base is actually really split between the wargaming, the collecting/painting, and the lore

there are some people who are just in it for the lore and don't play or own any minis

the problem is that this is a miserable return on resource investment in the 40k universe where this is scaled up tremendously

a few thousand space marines? tens of thousands?

in 40k lore there are quadrillions. a galactic ocean of randos with lasguns

if you want historical, real life precedent, special forces are wiped out or forced to retreat by conventional forces all the damned time

are you really gonna risk 20 space marines to tie up 100 orks?

1,000? 10,000?

it's pretty well-established that a whole host of things can grease space marines. using them like shock troops (as widely depicted in the lore and cinematics i have seen) is wildly irresponsible and likely ineffective

"we sent the space marines in and they KILLED EVERYONE"
if you wanna kill everyone you just level the place. stand off and use explosives. what the hell are you doing

space marines in 40k aren't shown to do any of the actually special things real life special forces do

their lore dictates that only they can do/use their Cool Guy shit and toys, so they can't even train a partisan force

sneak over here and plant a bomb

aren't they expert tacticians? you should be laying battle plans and setting the stage for how your overwhelming conventional forces secure victory

i'm being told the imperium of man might have extremely limited capability to actually manufacture weapons of war

standby for lore checking and rage

alright lol

so this is a whole new threat level

not only does my fallout character one round vats that squad of space marines, i am not reverse engineering all their toys with the aid of micro fusion energy sources

ALSO THIS MAKES ALL THE GENERIC ASS SPACE MARINES GAMES WORKSHOP SELLS EVEN WORSE

IF THESE SUITS OF ARMOR ARE LIKE THIRTY THOUSAND YEARS OLD THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN REPAIRED WHO KNOWS HOW MANY TIMES AND TOTALLY CUSTOMIZED BY NOW

so let's say a space marine's bolter jams

is he allowed to engage in a corrective procedure

would he even know how

rpg goal unlocked

*vibrates in escape velocity*

giving @DarkestKale fitful nightmares because i told him i dunno what white dwarf is

also that fallout 1/2 aren't anti-nuke

also robocop 1 is copaganda

deal with it and adjust your worldview accordingly

one of the best and worst things about fandoms are fan theories

getting really into a (relatively large) fandom shows you have false information spreads, and not just from bad actors

someone made an honest to fuck mistake in a wiki? now everyone parrots it. years later

youtube in a way has made it so much better but also so much worse

because so many streamers/youtubers make lore videos now, which is cool

but they're still human. they make mistakes. and a lot of them run mods while making lore videos lol

now, obviously i have a sci-fi bias. i like fallout

i am currently reading (and not liking tbh) 40k lore

so these settings are ostensibly grounded in real life physics and reality

so you also get to throw in the added problem of: authorities in lore who don't understand how shit works in real life