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Felix KrauseThis sums up @1Password and Big Tech so well
Nick Lockwood@KrauseFx the enshittification cycle strikes again. Every app you love either dies prematurely or lives long enough to become something you hate.
@nicklockwood Yes, it's so sad. The only ones I can think of that stayed are: MindNode, BetterTouchTool and Tweetbot 😢
@KrauseFx Tweetbot's in the former category now I guess.
Jeff C. 🇺🇦🇬🇱
Len@KrauseFx @nicklockwood Password Safe is going strong!
Artem Sapegin@KrauseFx Tweetbot stopped working unfortunately — I've been using it for many years ;-(
Chris Wu 🪐@nicklockwood @KrauseFx I bought a license for 1PW 7 and I would’ve bought one for version eight if they gave us that option. I now use another password manager.
NeoNacho@MuseumShuffle @nicklockwood @KrauseFx 1Password 7 still works fine, don’t believe the lie of weekly updates.
🇺🇦 Richard Gunther 🏳️🌈🇺🇸@NeoNacho @MuseumShuffle @nicklockwood @KrauseFx Yes, but they've announced that the Chrome plug-in will stop working in July. I already have problems with my plug-in every time they send out an update.
Bart Veldhuizen 🚀@richardgunther @NeoNacho @MuseumShuffle @nicklockwood @KrauseFx really?! Do you have a link so I can learn more about that? That would be a showstopper for me.
@BartV @NeoNacho @MuseumShuffle @nicklockwood @KrauseFx This is the link to the generic post, but the extension itself displayed a message on my Mac giving the date July 1. https://support.1password.com/kb/202303/
@richardgunther @BartV @NeoNacho @MuseumShuffle @nicklockwood @KrauseFx ah I see - so that’s the old version of the extension only.
@BartV @NeoNacho @MuseumShuffle @nicklockwood @KrauseFx Isn’t that the only version that works with 1Password 7, and v7 is the last version that operates as a standalone app with a lifetime license?
@richardgunther i believe so yes. So you’re probably right if you depend on that, but your post was a little alarmist as it suggested they’d be dropping ALL their browser support.
@BartV Oh, oh…sorry
@richardgunther that’s all right :)
Sven@nicklockwood @KrauseFx individual users paying small subscription fees won't justify the billion of VC money they got, don't you feel for the poor investors? /s
Ethan Huang@nicklockwood @KrauseFx let's why I love Things and admire their team. For more than a decade they don't change too much and it's the key of keeping a long-term productivity. I sincerely hope more software business maintained like them.
Benjamin Balder BachCould it be said that analytics and telemetry are an ideal of KPIs? So at the end of the day, the figures exist because management needs simplified and often biased figures to communicate to boards and stock owners to confirm their investments?
(I don't necessarily dislike KPIs, they're just knowledge.. but it's applied top-down, so it's not very democratic)
Tools to include for instance "prosumers" like UserVoice never really took off. But they exist.
Pär Björklund@benjaoming @KrauseFx as a developer I'd like to have metrics when thinking about deprecating or removing older, possibly problematic code/features
Didier Vallet@KrauseFx this is why I have such great hope for the upcoming Proton password manager.
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@DidierVallet @KrauseFx Not to be a downer, but based on proton's other services, proton pass will likely also be a subscription with a big electron app to back it that requires cloud storage.
Andrew@DidierVallet @KrauseFx agreed! Me too!
Quinn Nelson@KrauseFx @caseyliss It’s truly a sad state of affairs. If I didn’t think every other password manager was worse, I’d switch.
Tachyon@snazzyq @KrauseFx @caseyliss For personal password management, the keepass ecosystem works really well.
Frank Malinowski@snazzyq @KrauseFx @caseyliss It’s like the old saying, “Democracy is the worst form of government, except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.”
Joel Parker@KrauseFx @caseyliss If Apple’s Password Manager supported families I’d be gone. It’s a bummer too because I’ve used and advocated for 1Password for a long time. Checking my vault I see an upgrade license to version 3.6.1 from 2011. I think 1Password 2.x was my first version which was 2009.
M@ Bntn 🗽@joel Same here. 3x license in my “software licenses”. A category within 1PW that looks too much like a museum wing these days, ironically.
Alfonso Betancort@KrauseFx I left a while ago. I only have it running in legacy read-only mode (no subscription) for that obscure site I haven’t gone in years and haven’t move the password to Apple. But I guess I could trash it if I haven’t opened in for year or more.
Ryan Steele 
@KrauseFx I don't know who this torstenvl person is, but they certainly don't speak for me as a long-time 1Password user.
I support 1Password moving to a subscription model, ensuring the company has a dependable source of revenue to continue developing and improving the product.
I trust them to choose a framework that makes sense to them because I know they have done their homework and submit themselves to regular third-party audits.
Going cloud-only is obvious. How is this even an objection?
Derek Seaman
Mutesplash@KrauseFx @caseyliss It makes more sense if you understand that official comms are just lying to you (or lie by omission) about their priorities
Mike 
@KrauseFx haha and this is why I'm happily paying for bitwarden
Kristofferabild
Stefan 
@KrauseFx doesn’t feel good. Time to switch again…☹️
Nathan Wrigley 
@KrauseFx What's happening at 1Password? I jumped ship to Bitwarden when LastPass blew up.
Martin Seeger@KrauseFx I am really sorry for endorsing their products a few years back.
ffalker@KrauseFx I have been avoiding upgrading and still use v4 on windows and v6 on Mac and whatever the lastest non-subscription version is on iOS. I assume iOS 17 will break compatibilit. @caseyliss I am kind of hoping for a replacement discovery journey on @atpfm
Tröglödÿt@KrauseFx well, pass is the standard password manager, just use that, it's easily auditable and if your threat model requires it you can tomb it down too
Nils Goroll 🕊️
Hugo 🇺🇦
Joseph Gaeddert
Rob Mayoff@KrauseFx (At the risk of sounding like an apologist, which I’m not) The blog post does not say the company wants to know what users want. You (or at least torstenvl) are stuffing words in their mouth because (I guess) that’s what you want them to ask. What they’re asking is not “what do users want”, but “how do users use the product?” Very different questions, and telemetry definitely addresses the latter.
prozacchiwawai remember back in the vista era listening to an interview with one of microsoft's pms, and they said something like "83% of users discover the charms bar organically". which really is neither here nor there to what anybody wanted from windows. it hit me that they had no idea what users wanted and to an extent didn't care. somebody's reputation was getting made for designing vista and that's what they needed their telemetry to show.
@KrauseFx oh sorry it was the charms bar in win8, i'm thinking of the "vista sidebar".
Filt@KrauseFx sticking with keepass.
V@KrauseFx Friends tease me for insisting on open source tools whenever possible, but I keep looking like fuckin Nostradamus when shit goes down with the commercial products. I'm so happy with tools like syncthing & KeePassXC (and keepass2android). They may have rough edges compared to a cloud service provider, but hey, I'm in complete control of my passwords.
Ava Affine@KrauseFx at this point I dont understand what keeps people on 1password when keepassxc exists
Andrew Waterman@KrauseFx are you kidding me? Telemetry now? WAT?
Ernie Miller@KrauseFx This content is brilliant enough it almost makes me want to open The Orange Site again.
Jon G Stødle@KrauseFx @sindresorhus if only it hadn’t been so predictable when they took VC money
Lluc Pallejà@KrauseFx And somehow many people keep "trusting" all these companies.. (Google, Apple, Microsoft...).
SamDon't forget:
> 1Password: We /have/ to move to Electron because we don't have any money.
> Also 1Password: oh hey by the way we got $920,000,000 from VC...
Fernando Meyer@KrauseFx that’s how locking plays along
(((Jann Gobble)))🏳️🌈@KrauseFx Did 1password end their "no-cloud" purchase program? Do I not have the ability to buy outright the next version?