Did you know Tesla has cameras both on the outside of vehicles and the inside, and everything is uploaded to Tesla? Anyhoo they’ve been exporting the videos, making memes of customers and then posting them on chat rooms. https://www.reuters.com/technology/tesla-workers-shared-sensitive-images-recorded-by-customer-cars-2023-04-06/
Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

Tesla Inc assures its millions of electric car owners that their privacy “is and will always be enormously important to us.” The cameras it builds <a href="https://www.reuters.com/legal/elon-musks-2018-tweet-tesla-union-campaign-illegal-us-court-rules-2023-03-31/" target="_blank">into vehicles</a> to assist driving, it notes on its website, are “designed from the ground up to protect your privacy.”

Reuters
@GossiTheDog never ever ever buying a Tesla, and this gives me new reasons not to use Twitter either…
@GossiTheDog I wonder how anyone could distrust a statement from such a truthful, upstanding company such as Tesla 💩?

@GossiTheDog on top of the internal sharing among Tesla employees, this article also states that having a Tesla seems to allow you to park a camera everywhere you want to spy other people, and retrieve the data afterwards for yourself... What a mess...

Tesla is not yet well implanted here, so that I've never thought about this use case 😅

@GossiTheDog What in the actual fuck.
@GossiTheDog One more reason I will never buy a tesla
@nathans420 @GossiTheDog tbh we don't have Alexa or anything like that for the same reason. Our car does record but only the last 60 seconds before a crash isn't immediately written over and it's not connected to anything else outside. Pretty certain that's standard across Europe.

@GossiTheDog

This looks like a colossal problem, and I hope it causes as much grief as possible for Tesla.

To complete my threat assessment, is there *any* way to tell from the outside if a Tesla is on autopilot?

@nlarson830 @GossiTheDog how the drivers looking at the road and position in your rear view mirror

Was rear ended by a tesla in autopilot before when our 2017 nissan leaf was in b mode which slows it down quicker by using the motor to regen power and had to make a estop

@GossiTheDog Where there is a trough the pigs are not far away…
@GossiTheDog and to think i've been told for 20 years that tech employees would NEVER abuse the data they have access to to make jokes and get revenge
@fmhueffer @GossiTheDog to be fair I know at least some banks have allowed it since computers became common and they could easily share customer data to other sites.

@GossiTheDog @hypervisible

#Tesla's are essentially rolling #Android phones harvesting as much human & device behavioural #data as they can grab

April 2023:
"Special Report: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars" | Reuters
https://www.reuters.com/technology/tesla-workers-shared-sensitive-images-recorded-by-customer-cars-2023-04-06/

August 2022:
"The Radical Scope of Tesla’s Data Hoard" - IEEE Spectrum
https://spectrum.ieee.org/tesla-autopilot-data-scope

ALL auto manufacturers now addicted to #surveillance as a "generator of value” at the owner / lessee's expense.

#Privacy

Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

Tesla Inc assures its millions of electric car owners that their privacy “is and will always be enormously important to us.” The cameras it builds <a href="https://www.reuters.com/legal/elon-musks-2018-tweet-tesla-union-campaign-illegal-us-court-rules-2023-03-31/" target="_blank">into vehicles</a> to assist driving, it notes on its website, are “designed from the ground up to protect your privacy.”

Reuters
@bfdi ist das eigentlich Datenschutzkonform?

@thinkpad @bfdi

not in the eu and the dutch have recently pressured t esla into a software update that changes some of these functions so that the killbots record less automatically

@TryshHQ @GossiTheDog @hypervisible
It is so bad that GM has announced that the Blazer EV will not support CarPlay, because they want to do the Android behavior harvesting thing and having people bypass it with their phone is unacceptable.

I will NEVER buy a car again that doesn't support CarPlay.

@ncweaver Not clear why we should trust Apple, not to mention the next generation of Apple executives, especially now that the company is using all the data it hides from others to jump-start its own ad business.
@dangillmor @ncweaver for many years, it’s been clear that Apple makes more than enough on hardware sales that it doesn’t need to sell user data. Plus it can further advertise their hardware by being better on user privacy than every other option.
@rjcassara @dangillmor @ncweaver Or so we think. While Apple has had a record-low in privacy scandals, the few that it has had are catastrophic to say the least. The bug that allowed a group facetime call initiator to listen in on those who didn't answer if they added themselves in as a participant, that nearly got swept under the rug because the kid who reported it didn't have a $100 a year developer account?
That bug that caused location services to remain on when turned off?
@rjcassara @dangillmor @ncweaver The fact that they've now used Apple Intelligence to do exactly what has been a thorn in every GMail user's side and organize the inbox by category, and worse, make it opt in? Also, has anyone noticed, not just with Apple but with any similar company, that nearly everything third-party has some form of opt-in mandate, *except* for the company's own actions?
Also, let's not forget to mention the infamous random logout for some iCloud users.
https://forums.appleinsider.com/discussion/236214/some-users-are-randomly-getting-locked-out-of-their-apple-id-accounts
@ncweaver @TryshHQ @GossiTheDog @hypervisible I will never again buy a car where I cannot verifiably disable any wireless capability at my own discretion.

@GossiTheDog allo ? la CNIL ?

roonnnnn, pscchiiiiitt....

allo ??

@vincib

The Federation of German Consumer Organisations (vzbv) had sued Tesla in 2022 because of the lack of information to the users about the "sentry mode".

Answer:

« A spokesperson for Berlin's data protection agency said that the person driving the car is responsible for turning off the cameras in public spaces. Responsibility would extend to the company if images were transmitted to and stored by Tesla, the spokesperson added. »

So, now, ... 🍿

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-warn-data-privacy-risk-car-security-cameras-germany-2023-04-04/

@GossiTheDog

Tesla to warn of data privacy risk from car security cameras in Germany

Tesla <a href="https://www.reuters.com/companies/TSLA.O/"target="_blank">(TSLA.O)</a> will warn that its 'sentry mode', which records a car's surroundings, risks infringing data privacy laws in Germany after consumer group vzbv sued the manufacturer for failing to mention this in advertising.

Reuters
@GossiTheDog who knew the most profitable part of surveillance capitalism would be blackmail and corporate espionage? Who could possibly imagine seeing such a thing coming?
@GossiTheDog Didn't a bunch of ride share companies partner with them? How does this impact their privacy policies and compliance with that?
@GossiTheDog Here for the popcorns. This will end well.
@GossiTheDog VW had to pay quite some money for not properly documenting the processing of videos from test cars.
@GossiTheDog Clarence Thomas is a living argument for forcible removal by any means necessary.
@GossiTheDog yikes a million but every single customer-based company's employees do this internally and it is fucked up and sociopathic beyond belief
@dexiheart Some companies are far better than others about this sort of thing.
@GossiTheDog "A spokesperson for the FTC said it doesn’t comment on individual companies or their conduct."... must be nice to be a company and not have that information shared... 😏

@GossiTheDog i always till people, unless its a off the internet nvr/camera, always assume someone, somewhere, is always watching.

specially if you use them cameras you download an app to use.

@GossiTheDog Your car shouldn't require an EULA. I wonder how many people signed a purchase agreement without Tesla disclosing that you're essentially throwing away your right to privacy when you take delivery and accept the EULA on the screen.

@manifest_irony @GossiTheDog Like the #EULA of #Apple's #macOS this one would also be legally null and void in Germany since "it's terms and conditions are not reasonable to be expected" and/or because it wasn't offered to customers to read and study beforehand.

That's why #Windows in Germany has the entire EULA readable in the packaging for #SystemBuilder & #Retail versions!

#notLegalAdvice tho...
https://mstdn.social/@kkarhan/110152935692815460

Kevin Karhan :verified: (@[email protected])

@[email protected] Do they know that's illegal and a violation of #GDPR & #BDSG since they neither declared it nor provided people with legal custodian details nor retention period and effective opt-out to it? Cuz last time I checked this was more illegal than uploading unpiixelated raw footage with coordinates from dashcams in Germany, cuz unlike someone submitting their recordings in public with their voices exclusively, this is done without informed consent at all! I hope @bfdi will look at it...

Mastodon 🐘
@kkarhan @GossiTheDog What I want to know is what happens if you sign a purchase agreement, find out later there's this onerous EULA, and want to back out. Also would like to know if there's a way to opt-out of the spyware.

@manifest_irony @GossiTheDog that is a good question.

I've heard of big car manufacturers cancelling the order and refunding deposits and payments if customers declined forcibly-bundled connectivity packages...

Sadly IDK if it Was Mercedes-Benz, BMW or Audi in the case I read ages ago.

Pretty shure Tesla will just cancel the order and refund customers instead of complying, just like PC OEMs do when you want a Windows-Free version of demand a GDPR-compliant OS instead...

@GossiTheDog Do they know that's illegal and a violation of #GDPR & #BDSG since they neither declared it nor provided people with legal custodian details nor retention period and effective opt-out to it?

Cuz last time I checked this was more illegal than uploading unpiixelated raw footage with coordinates from dashcams in Germany, cuz unlike someone submitting their recordings in public with their voices exclusively, this is done without informed consent at all!

I hope @bfdi will look at it...

@GossiTheDog went with a #VW #EV because #Tesla is run by a man-child. We pretty much decided to rule out Tesla when Elon decided his cars should be able to make fart sounds.
@GossiTheDog didn't the same thing happen with roomba when someone found memes of them on the toilet
@GossiTheDog Disgusted: Not surprised.
@GossiTheDog This is news to me and yet I’m overflowing with not-surprise.
@GossiTheDog @briankrebs is this counter to the Owners Manuel? or are these users who enabled sharing?
@be3n @GossiTheDog @briankrebs I leave data sharing turned off but I suspect a majority of owners who use FSDbeta or Autopilot enable data sharing.
@GossiTheDog That's pretty incredible. Does Tesla tell its customers that they are recording everything they do for future use?
@GossiTheDog "Sentry" mode makes me furious. Walking dogs I see these cars flash their headlights as the film me walking by. Fuckig asshole owners
@GossiTheDog Why am I not surprised? Imagine what they taped going on in and around their vehicles besides traffic.
@GossiTheDog cc @[email protected] yo, maybe just ban all the businesses that's affiliated by that Putin worshipper.
@GossiTheDog Ooooh, I should get some EU Tesla owners to GDPR the shit out of them...
@GossiTheDog 😳 “I would never buy a Tesla after seeing how they treated some of these people,” said one former employee.
@GossiTheDog that's why one uses a lens cover on the cabin camera. Of course.
@GossiTheDog the don't have nearly enough bandwidth for it.. and by default nothing gets shared. You have to actively enable it. And still then it is limited.. most stuff is only stored locally on USB..

@GossiTheDog

😲 "Two ex-employees said they weren’t bothered by the sharing of images, saying that customers had given their consent or that people long ago had given up any reasonable expectation of keeping personal data private."

‼️ Wrong:
▪️ For it to be valid, consent must be informed. Were purchasers informed that their images would be shared and mocked by Tesla employees?
▪️ People have a "reasonable expectation" of privacy in many places, including their garages.

Tesla doesn't "get" consent.

@GossiTheDog So THAT is how my 3 mistressses found out about my 5 wives!

@GossiTheDog as someone who owns a Tesla, I can say this report is not factually correct:
- there is no inner camera recording on Sentry unless there is a physical break in.
- there is no recording of inner camera while driving.
- it's a opt in to share old video data, which only occurs at home over wifi and when parked, thus video around the car while driving.
- 9 ex employees who worked there before Tesla enabled inner cameras for break-in https://www.theverge.com/2019/4/5/18296501/tesla-internal-camera-rear-view-mirror-autonomous-ridesharing-service-driverless. The inner camera view when parked and sentry is engaged is only visible to the owner via mobile app or physically turning it on screen with a preview of it on screen.

Tesla is not Elon, nor I think he should be the CEO. But there is this big push from media to push out junk for clickbait. I get it, it pays them bills. But seriously, question what you read.

Elon Musk explains the camera inside Tesla’s Model 3

Tesla CEO Elon Musk has clarified that a camera located above the Model 3’s rear-view mirror is there for when the car will eventually be able to work as an autonomous taxi. “It’s there for when we start competing with Uber/Lyft,” the CEO wrote on Twitter.

The Verge

@GossiTheDog The final lines of that article sum it all up.

"One of the perks of working for Tesla as a data labeler in San Mateo was the chance to win a prize – use of a company car for a day or two, according to two former employees.

But some of the lucky winners became paranoid when driving the electric cars.

“Knowing how much data those vehicles are capable of collecting definitely made folks nervous," one ex-employee said."

@GossiTheDog holy fuck
@hacks4pancakes @GossiTheDog And yet is anyone surprised by this at least one bit ? 😄
@the6wicked6one6 @GossiTheDog I mean, don't touch anything related to Elon unless you want to end up a meme on the internet with your private shit, but still, it's abysmal
@hacks4pancakes @GossiTheDog Same policy here also this reminds me a lot of what was going on in repair centers for PCs and Mac's for some reason.