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Rocketdonut Mar 30, 2023

1990s web experience

- Open site in browser
- Watch framework of site gradually appear
- Start reading site text
- View images once they load
- Click a hyperlink to more information on the thing you're looking for

2020s web experience

- Open site in browser
- Wait for Cloudflare to verify you aren't a bot
- Wait for background movie to load
- Dismiss cookie popup
- Decline to subscribe to their mailing list
- Decline to speak to a chatbot that promises it's a human
- Scroll infinitely looking for the information you want that's probably not there since it's all generated text intended for other robots to read anyway

@48kRAM don't forget the popup trying to get you to agree to browser notifications

censored for “transphobia”Mar 27, 2023

@ksbex @48kRAM as well as the popup asking if it’s okay to pass along location info.

Siegfried.Mar 27, 2023

@koherecoWatchdog @ksbex @48kRAM yeah, on my non moving desktop pc.

Wildduck Mar 30, 2023

@realSiegfried @koherecoWatchdog @ksbex @48kRAM when you're pissed off and want to leave, catch a glimpse of a popup beging you to stay on the page to subscribe and get notification on an update, or to read more on subjects you may like

censored for “transphobia”Mar 30, 2023

@Wildduck @48kRAM @ksbex @realSiegfried ah yes, that one is a bit rare. Sometimes triggered by switching tabs or (iirc) even control-w. I guess it overrides the keystrokes for those cases but it probably doesn't work for people who click to close the tab.

Wildduck Mar 31, 2023

@koherecoWatchdog @48kRAM @ksbex @realSiegfried i see it mostly when I reach the upper quarter of the screen with the mouse, as to close the tab or go elsewhere.

censored for “transphobia”Mar 31, 2023

@Wildduck @realSiegfried @ksbex @48kRAM In any case, it should be treated as a #darkPattern and the website should be blacklisted. And the blacklist should be used to downrank search results.

Wildduck Mar 31, 2023

@koherecoWatchdog @realSiegfried @ksbex @48kRAM a bunch of general infos websites and shops do this.

Lightning Bjornsson (they, he, xe/hir)Apr 6, 2023

@koherecoWatchdog @Wildduck @realSiegfried @ksbex @48kRAM until we put the kibosh on this profit-driven world, that's not happening.

censored for “transphobia”Apr 6, 2023

@lightning
It’s already happened to some extent. #Ombrelo is a search engine that excludes #Cloudflare websites from the results. There’s nothing to stop someone from creating a search service that filters out other varieties of garbage.

It’s precisely the profit-driven world that creates the need to filter out garbage.
@ksbex @Wildduck @48kRAM @realSiegfried

MortSinyx Apr 6, 2023

@koherecoWatchdog, could you please point me to Ombrelo? Cc: @lightning, @ksbex, @Wildduck, @48kRAM and @realSiegfried in case they also have trouble finding the address or have found it.

censored for “transphobia”Apr 6, 2023

@cnx
I regret to say I can’t reach it anymore. As it moved around, the new location would be normally disclosed in the TXT field of some DNS records. But the last move was not reflected there.
@lightning @ksbex @Wildduck @48kRAM @realSiegfried

Peter Jakobs ⛵May 10, 2023

@koherecoWatchdog @ksbex @48kRAM and then open the content editor to get rid of the big popover telling you that, unless you deactivate your ad blocker, you can't get the content (but when you allow ads, the content will be sandwiched between two equally large, blinking, screaming, deceptively luring your click ad bars)

censored for “transphobia”May 10, 2023

@pjakobs @48kRAM @ksbex I used to have a plugin w/a hotkey that would launch the page in #lynx. A lot of shenanigans can be circumvented that way. IIRC, I lost that pluging b/c of #Mozilla shenanigans. Mozilla pushed a protectionist policy at some point & started controlling what extensions you can use. That may be when the /launch in lynx/ add-on was lost.

Sylvhem Mar 27, 2023

@ksbex @48kRAM And the one suggesting you read the same content through the App™ instead.

EyalL Mar 27, 2023

Not if you block them all in the settings.

Duncan Blues Mar 27, 2023

@ksbex @48kRAM and the short teaser on the topic you are looking for, followed by a paywall.

@ksbex @48kRAM but wait. Also subscribe to my newsletter

Pete Wright Mar 27, 2023

@48kRAM
One thing I miss from early web days was watching Mosiac, then Netscape, do it’s animation thing in the top of the browser while waiting for images to download on my crusty dial-up connection.

I reckon if we tried something similar today it’d eat up an extra 2G of ram somehow and leak my passwords to the Russian mafia.

Brian Grinter May 9, 2023

@pete_wright @48kRAM loved the Netscape space theme with comets whizzing by

Judeau (EatTheRich)Mar 27, 2023

@48kRAM I'd laugh if it weren't so depressingly true!

Tröglödÿt Mar 28, 2023

@Judeau @48kRAM

i highly recommend switching over to a mad cackle, it'll frighten your bosses and impress your peers

Abby Mar 27, 2023

@48kRAM - have all the content and links constantly shift around as things load so you accidentally click on some scam ad that takes over your browser

Wrongthink Mar 27, 2023

@Abby @48kRAM 2030s web experience

Open site in state-approved browser, on state-approved device
Wait for remote agent to verify your internet license
Receive confirmation that your device hasn’t been tampered with
Page proceeds to load preamble
“Hi and welcome to *.com! Please check out our corporate sponsors while we prepare your synergistic experience!”, videos begin playing
Anticipating your needs, based off of your advertisement shadow profile, your device preemptively reaches out and downloads *.com’s apps in the background
Exceed your allotted bandwidth
Popups everywhere “Purchase another 500TB network pass 🎫 for only $699.99 Ameros! 💵💵💵”

Deus Ex MacGuffin

The technologically illiterate turdballs who made cookie popups a law will have to spend eternity in hell, until they are finished clicking through every useless popup they caused.

Asbjørn Ulsberg Mar 27, 2023

@DXMacGuffin @48kRAM The popups aren’t required, though. As long as the cookies are needed for the site to function, and are not used for data harvesting, analytics, or similar, implicit consent is fine.

The consent only needs to be explicit if the site is harvesting its users.

https://blog.getadmiral.com/cookie-consent-law-in-eu-us-uk-and-other-countries

Cookie Consent Law in EU , US, UK, and other Countries

Cookie consent laws differ from country to country. This article discusses EU and GDPR, US, UK, Canada, China and Australia cookie consent law.

KateYagi Mar 28, 2023

@bitbear @DXMacGuffin @48kRAM Exactly. It's only obnoxiously common because it's obnoxiously common to harvest user data, to the point that people think it's for any cookie.

Mei Lin Mar 28, 2023

@bitbear @DXMacGuffin @48kRAM
And considering that pretty much every site is harvesting its users...

Asbjørn Ulsberg Mar 28, 2023

@MeiLin @DXMacGuffin @48kRAM Yep.

https://chitter.xyz/@kateyagi/110098565686358104

K. Yagi (@[email protected])

@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] Exactly. It's only obnoxiously common because it's obnoxiously common to harvest user data, to the point that people think it's for any cookie.

Chitter

Mei Lin Mar 28, 2023

@bitbear @DXMacGuffin @48kRAM
In the end, I argue that the regulation in itself is a good thing. Just like everything else, it had unintended consequences the EU regulators have not seen coming.

The current crap with Apple's implementation of USB-C comes to mind here as well, with Apple finding a way to circumvent the intended goal of the new regulation to make MOAR MONIES!

Asbjørn Ulsberg Mar 28, 2023

@MeiLin @DXMacGuffin @48kRAM Yep. I would love to see more of these clear violations of the regulatory intent challenged in court.

sbi May 10, 2023

@bitbear @DXMacGuffin @48kRAM This. And if you don't care about your privacy, just install a browser extension that answers those popups automatically.

@DXMacGuffin @48kRAM idk I like to be able to see if I'm being tracked, and to opt out of as much of it as possible

I use a browser extension to automate it on PC, it's called Consent-o-Matic

@DXMacGuffin @48kRAM There is no law that requires cookie popups.

Wrongthink Mar 28, 2023

@DXMacGuffin @48kRAM Such popups are only a problem for those who allow CSS and javascript to load by default.

Lightning Bjornsson (they, he, xe/hir)Apr 6, 2023

@wrongthink @DXMacGuffin @48kRAM CSS? You mean a fundamental part of HTML layout?

Wrongthink Apr 6, 2023

@lightning @DXMacGuffin @48kRAM “Fundamental” hasn’t stopped me from reading the target textual content. It has become popular to block javascript, but people tend to overlook that CSS can also be used for nasty things including to harass visitors with popups.

Stealing Data With CSS: Attack and Defense

A method is detailed, dubbed CSS Exfil, which can be used to steal targeted data using Cascading Style Sheets (CSS) as an attack vector.

Mike Gualtieri :: Home

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@DXMacGuffin @48kRAM cookie/consent popups are the most radical way to interpret the eu law. Nowhere in eu law are they even mentioned as a possibility for compliance, yet they are done specifically to cause as much hate for the law as possible. And as you can see with yourself, it is working

The 500 Hats of LambdaCalculus Mar 27, 2023

@48kRAM Tons of noise; not enough signal. I miss it when things were simpler.

rwa Mar 27, 2023

@48kRAM We may add
"reload the site 3 times cause flaky infinite scroll JS won't load the content" to the list

censored for “transphobia”Mar 27, 2023

@cnx @48kRAM you forgot: scramble to mute the sound, fight with a CAPTCHA, enable some 3rd party js…reload…enable more js…reload…repeat until you have something, untick 20+ categories of “legitimate interest” cookies, give up & find a copy of the page in archive.org which runs /all/ the 3rd party js anyway— only to discover they purposely blocked the wayback machine.

(Personal)Mar 27, 2023

@48kRAM And then sometimes either the website or your internet is playing up and you get the wonderful experience of both

TopKnot Mar 27, 2023

Just think, the #Republican Party wants to fix this problem while they make laws to shutdown all public libraries in the US.

NKT May 9, 2023

@TopKnot @48kRAM The GOPedo'd shut down the entire Internet, except they're all addicted to their kiddie pron.

Digital Mark λ ☕️ 🕹 👽Mar 27, 2023

- Would you like to install our app?
- We see that you're using a content blocker, turn it off.
- Part of the content just gets blanked out. You're not sure if it's your browser, blockers, or them.

Michael Mar 27, 2023

@mdhughes @48kRAM And then you F12 to remove the blur and just find scrambled garbage or lorem ipsum, or reload and instantly pause js execution in that paticular millisecond after the content has loaded but before it gets scrambled.

Or you decide that you don't want to visit the site anymore and keep your sanity.

Digital Mark λ ☕️ 🕹 👽Mar 28, 2023

@emkay443 @48kRAM I should automate Safari loading a page & pausing JS after 1s. Should be doable, and it'd stop most sites. Instead I hit reader view… and get nothing because they have no central content.

Mathias ❄️🐺🐶

@emkay443 @mdhughes @48kRAM Or if you're me, you paste the URL into your copy of Firefox with uMatrix. Tends to work for the likes of WaPo who do that crap.

🐾 ⎇Mar 28, 2023

@mdhughes @48kRAM

- Please log in to continue
- Your chrome looks kinda foxy, please use a supported version of chrome
- Enable DRM to play this video
- Not available in the EU
- An unknown error occurred
- Your IP has been blocked
- You can't download this from a mobile useragent, we promise it's just not possible
- You really want your app, right? No? Install the fucking app to continue. We made this whole ass mobile-friendly page just to bait you into installing our fucking app! Do it!

BoredomFestival Mar 27, 2023

- find and attempt to stop the autoplaying-with-sound video
- accidentally misclick on the tiny buttons, expanding the video to fullscreen
- frantically click back button
- repeat

BoredomFestival Mar 27, 2023

@48kRAM -Decline to install their app (which is likely just a WebView wrapper in the first place)

BoredomFestival Mar 28, 2023

@48kRAM I always do, but the point is that they shouldn't ask in the first place

Richard Earney Mar 27, 2023

@48kRAM I love the feedback on our site popup which appears after you have used the site for 2-3 seconds

RDC Mar 27, 2023

@48kRAM This is why I appreciate the reader mode that has started to come up in recent browsers, especially on mobile ones. They can clean up most websites real good.

Roy Brander🍁Mar 27, 2023

1960s TV experience:
-Turn set on.
-Wait 30 seconds for tubes to warm up.
-Watch what is on.
-Turn set off.

2020s TV experience:
-Turn Set on.
-Wait 40 seconds for it to boot.
-Try to find things in grids of thumbnails
-Get paralysed by choice
-Realize hour has gone by and you need food
-Turn Set off

Christine Hall Mar 27, 2023

@RoyBrander @48kRAM But, in the 2020s, you no longer have to adjust the vertical and horizontal hold.

Andy Teaszer Fella Mar 28, 2023

@RoyBrander @48kRAM …(7) search for “Please Stand By”, watch it, and find yourself rooting for the underdog, and wonder how such a fun, enthralling film stayed buried for 6 years

Roy Brander🍁Mar 28, 2023

@andymatisz @48kRAM

...turns out to be on the "Kanopy" streaming service, that is associated with my local public library - I can watch it for free at home! Not sure how widespread those Kanopy/library deals may be, so this might be a very general announcement. Check your library catalogue!