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@BrentToderian riding through red lights -> is for personal safety. -? Ooh so that's why every single bike in Paris does it.

@julienlanoo @BrentToderian Well, ever considered that this could bei allowed?

@msstainstone @BrentToderian yes. It isn't...

ART. R412-30 of the road code
https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/codes/article_lc/LEGIARTI000039478725

Fines are the same as any other road user: 135 euros, and 3 points on drivers licence ( if the person has one)...

It was considered, for only right turns, after a full stop . ( wich is Logic, in this case).

But never got through legislation ;)

So not allowed.

I also think people don't see the Gravitas here.
Do it, have an accident with green side walker or vehicle - cyclist is liable.

@julienlanoo @BrentToderian and then there are the signs M12a and M12b, which allow cyclist to pass a red light. Those are very common in Paris.

@msstainstone @BrentToderian
Watch out.
if the conditions allow it...
This sign does not give "priority",
There way still has to be given, ..

It's "at Yr own risk" kind of thing...
If there is an accident, well its a priority question...

( yeah "that was also the excuse")

@julienlanoo Sorry to hear you were hit. Get well soon 🍀

@msstainstone I am fine, bruises and internal bleeding will heal.

Also the broken foot, and scratches on cyclist will heal. His, realy nice, bike can be replaced.

But as said, he ll get a "not fun regular reminders" of all the insurance companies involved. ( mine, and the cars damaged in process) :(.

The Ambulance person, And police man told me, they have dozens of such identical accidents a day, just in their Arr.

@msstainstone @BrentToderian again annecdotic, the concequence for the Red-light dodging (yeah with the sign as excuse) cyclist in my case is thus: my damage: physical and property costs go to him + the damage to the cars done ( when falling).

All this without a proper insurance, is not a nice thing. Just stop at red lights, follow the f-in rules of the road.

@julienlanoo @BrentToderian you are mixing Things Up:

Not having an insurance - Not wise.

Not Passing a Red Light although it's - under conditions - allowed is comparabel to this:

We do not have a speed limit in Germany. It's safer to drive slower or at least Not As fast as you Like. In the case of accidents at speeds over 130 km/h, there is partial culpability. I still wouldn't say it's forbidden and every driver who goes faster is breaking the rules.

@msstainstone @BrentToderian I also dear Michelle, on a personal note,
I can attest that a Cyclist slamming in to you at 30km/h, while Yr just crossing on foot at a Zebra Crossing with a green light, because fore-mentioned cyclist decided to ignore a red light and wooz past stopped cars, is painfull.

According to my still healing leg :p
( yeah it's very "current")

And the poor dude had no road insurance neither. So "not, a, good, idea to do that".

cognitively accessible math Mar 12, 2023

@julienlanoo @BrentToderian LOL Did you read the article?

@geonz @BrentToderian I did, but initial remark was not about the article.

initially the remark was about the post introducing the article: yeah don't make that statement it's not true. ;) - But that went off the rails 🫣😊

Yvan Decreux Mar 15, 2023

@julienlanoo @BrentToderian
Despite being shown evidence that motorists break rules as often as cyclists and are way more dangerous when doing so, there will always be the usual trolls claiming the opposite. I was hoping they would have stayed on Twitter.

Yvan Decreux Mar 15, 2023

@julienlanoo @BrentToderian
Of course, Paris is their main area of concern, because they see that motorists are losing ground there.

Compusomnia Mar 15, 2023

@julienlanoo @BrentToderian Risking being rear-ended at a red light like a sitting duck is dangerous, yes.

SportyWilhelm Mar 12, 2023

@BrentToderian yes. I agree, totally is the cars fault when a bike is going wrong way down one way street to save distance travelled. But that is just what I see all the time in downtown Chicago.

cognitively accessible math Mar 12, 2023

@BrentToderian The culture still has commenters SURE that this is wrong, because EVERY cyclist they've seen.... now, if they actually went out with video cameras like these folks did.
Granted, doing a verbal survey with specific scenarios (for the "why break the law?" ignores some of the stated issues (especially when it's technically law-abiding but dangerous, like pelotons can be). ... and cyclists also break the law to save time.
I had two lovely "fake roundabout" experiences on my morning commute -- 4-way stops and I signaled "stopping," so the other driver rolled through... and so could I :) Sleepy Sunday morning communication!

Osma A 🇫🇮🇺🇦Mar 13, 2023

@BrentToderian Getting out of the way, technically in violation of traffic regulation but endangering no one. Yep, guilty as charged. Some people forget that I have better visibility around me on the bicycle that anyone else in the circumstances.

Gargravar Mar 13, 2023

@BrentToderian speaking as a cyclist in Germany, I would still question whether the car drivers are in the wrong, or the law is just completely unrealistic. Personally, I think that law (in cities) is just unrealistic, and a continued Ausbau of cycling lanes is the only sensible way forward.

jnbhlr Mar 15, 2023

@brrbrr @BrentToderian I've tried not overtaking cyclists in close spaces, and it works just fine - except sometimes the car behind starts extremely dangerous overtaking maneuvers. Sometimes, cyclists get confused and stressed if you're not overtaking, so giving them space so they don't feel bullied is a good idea.

Gargravar Mar 16, 2023

@jnbhlr @BrentToderian naturally. It isn't like I haven't had the occasional fist fight with a driver who thinks they're in a suit of armour. But... in cities with a constant flow of bidirectional traffic and roads based on layouts which can be many centuries old, the legal expectations simply aren't realistic. Either cyclists are banned on roads that are "too narrow", cycle lanes are built (where possible), or we all just tolerate each other. Laws are blunt instruments.

jnbhlr Mar 16, 2023

@brrbrr @BrentToderian I would argue it's possible to abide by the stvo, especially inside a car as it's designed for cars mainly. On a bike, it's sometimes not possible to avoid potential legal issues. Not just roads have to change but laws as well - that's why vcd and i believe adfc as well are pushing for a rewrite that centres around humans and not ruining the planet instead of traffic flow.

Carlos Rodríguez Mar 13, 2023

@BrentToderian In Mexico City it’s legal for bikes to run red lights (under specific criteria), it is written in the city’s traffic normative, has it’s own article. Yet motorists, pedestrians and even other cyclists loose their head when a cyclist runs a red… but if a car or motorcycle does it seems normal to all.

Srijit Kumar Bhadra Mar 15, 2023

@BrentToderian

In Bengaluru (Bangalore), India most roads are unsafe for pedestrians and cyclists. I would not prefer to ride a bicycle in the roads of Bengaluru since I am scared.

Here it is challenging to ensure safety, dignity & stature of pedestrians & cyclists, who are users of sustainable commute mode. I personally ensure to avoid any discomfort to a cyclist while driving though cyclists are often bullied by motorists with incessant honking.

Yes, I am also aware that cyclists do have to break rules for personal safety. Till now, Bengaluru Traffic police apparently have shown a soft corner towards cyclists.

Bengalureans lead in terms of CO2 offsets and the amount of fuel saved in companies among 100 cities, despite Bengaluru’s lack of adequate infrastructure and mobility for bikers and walkers.

I am sharing three interesting references below.

Shaping the future of integrated mobility - AltMo is a climate action platform for quantifying the impact of climate positive sustainable transport choices

B.PAC, DULT release findings from cyclists’ survey

Number of pedallers rise in Bengaluru, but not enough space for cycling

#Cyclists #Bengaluru #Bangalore #MastIndia #Pedaller #SustainableCommute #Pedestrians #BengaluruTraffic

cc: @mastodonindians @srijit @srijit

Cracks in Cubbon Park, BBMP’s sense of duty

A German national visiting Cubbon Park pointed out that the road passing through the park in front of the prestigious Vidhana Soudha had developed cracks. 2-feet-wide and 15-feet-long cracks had deve

Bangalore Mirror

CharlieG Mar 15, 2023

@BrentToderian Even on Mastodon the tedious drivers’ complaints. It’s pretty simple: the roads and the road rules are designed for cars. There’s no moral reason for cyclists to obey them.

Ian Hobson Mar 15, 2023

@BrentToderian Agree completely. As an aside, can I use this to request @[email protected] post more on Mastodon? Seems like an early adopter but has gone quiet! We need you on here, Carlton.

Shaun (he/ him)Mar 15, 2023

@BrentToderian @DecaturNature

cc #BikeTooter friends @atlgaytheist @wesley @bdatlrides @notjustbikes

Shaun (he/ him)Mar 15, 2023

@BrentToderian @DecaturNature @atlgaytheist @wesley @bdatlrides @notjustbikes

Which reminds me of the connection to @notjustbikes investigation on the value of stop signs
https://youtu.be/42oQN7fy_eM

Stop Signs Suck and We Should Get Rid of Them

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filid Mar 19, 2023

@BrentToderian This stopp sign was introduced after more than three cyclists were killed at this intersection. the stopp sign is only for motorised traffic. when I stop there I get honked at. 95% of my fellow drivers ignore the sign, even if cycles are crossing. I already saw a police car ignoring it (no blue light flashing)

Tueftler Mar 19, 2023

@filid @BrentToderian
Kann diese Beschreibung bestätigen. Sogar als Pkw-Fahrer wird man von den einbiegenden Fahrzeugen hemmungslos geschnitten. Ganz üble Kreuzung.

KarlE Mar 19, 2023

@BrentToderian "most cyclists do not run reds: 84% of the cyclists stopped at red traffic lights." We would agree 16% of cars running red lights is unforgivable. This rule is mandatory for all!
There may be a case for cyclists to start just before the light turns green so that they are ahead of UK:left-turners / right-turners that might otherwise endanger them. Often pedestrian lights turn green earlier for that reason.
But I also experience cyclists that pass red lights as if they didn't exist!