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Brent Toderian Mar 12, 2023

STUDY: Researchers found almost all road users broke the law, but while motorists mostly broke road rules to save time, the most common reason for people on bikes to break road rules was personal safety. And yet bike-riders get more scorn & scrutiny for the rule-breaking, despite motor vehicles literally being the source of the danger. V/@[email protected]
https://www.forbes.com/sites/carltonreid/2020/09/18/motorists-break-law-to-save-time-cyclists-break-law-to-save-lives-finds-study/

Motorists Break Law To Save Time, Cyclists Break Law To Save Lives, Finds Study

Researchers have found that almost all road users break the law, but the reasons for the infractions differ between modes, with cyclists doing it to save their necks.

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Julien Lanoo Mar 12, 2023

@BrentToderian riding through red lights -> is for personal safety. -? Ooh so that's why every single bike in Paris does it.

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Michele Mar 12, 2023

@julienlanoo @BrentToderian Well, ever considered that this could bei allowed?

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Julien Lanoo Mar 12, 2023

@msstainstone @BrentToderian yes. It isn't...

ART. R412-30 of the road code
https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/codes/article_lc/LEGIARTI000039478725

Fines are the same as any other road user: 135 euros, and 3 points on drivers licence ( if the person has one)...

It was considered, for only right turns, after a full stop . ( wich is Logic, in this case).

But never got through legislation ;)

So not allowed.

I also think people don't see the Gravitas here.
Do it, have an accident with green side walker or vehicle - cyclist is liable.

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Michele Mar 12, 2023

@julienlanoo @BrentToderian and then there are the signs M12a and M12b, which allow cyclist to pass a red light. Those are very common in Paris.

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Julien Lanoo Mar 12, 2023

@msstainstone @BrentToderian
Watch out.
if the conditions allow it...
This sign does not give "priority",
There way still has to be given, ..

It's "at Yr own risk" kind of thing...
If there is an accident, well its a priority question...

( yeah "that was also the excuse")

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Julien Lanoo Mar 12, 2023

@msstainstone @BrentToderian again annecdotic, the concequence for the Red-light dodging (yeah with the sign as excuse) cyclist in my case is thus: my damage: physical and property costs go to him + the damage to the cars done ( when falling).

All this without a proper insurance, is not a nice thing. Just stop at red lights, follow the f-in rules of the road.

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Michele

@julienlanoo @BrentToderian you are mixing Things Up:

Not having an insurance - Not wise.

Not Passing a Red Light although it's - under conditions - allowed is comparabel to this:

We do not have a speed limit in Germany. It's safer to drive slower or at least Not As fast as you Like. In the case of accidents at speeds over 130 km/h, there is partial culpability. I still wouldn't say it's forbidden and every driver who goes faster is breaking the rules.