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Julien Lanoo

@BrentToderian riding through red lights -> is for personal safety. -? Ooh so that's why every single bike in Paris does it.

@julienlanoo @BrentToderian Well, ever considered that this could bei allowed?

@msstainstone @BrentToderian yes. It isn't...

ART. R412-30 of the road code
https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/codes/article_lc/LEGIARTI000039478725

Fines are the same as any other road user: 135 euros, and 3 points on drivers licence ( if the person has one)...

It was considered, for only right turns, after a full stop . ( wich is Logic, in this case).

But never got through legislation ;)

So not allowed.

I also think people don't see the Gravitas here.
Do it, have an accident with green side walker or vehicle - cyclist is liable.

@julienlanoo @BrentToderian and then there are the signs M12a and M12b, which allow cyclist to pass a red light. Those are very common in Paris.

@msstainstone @BrentToderian
Watch out.
if the conditions allow it...
This sign does not give "priority",
There way still has to be given, ..

It's "at Yr own risk" kind of thing...
If there is an accident, well its a priority question...

( yeah "that was also the excuse")

@julienlanoo Sorry to hear you were hit. Get well soon 🍀

@msstainstone I am fine, bruises and internal bleeding will heal.

Also the broken foot, and scratches on cyclist will heal. His, realy nice, bike can be replaced.

But as said, he ll get a "not fun regular reminders" of all the insurance companies involved. ( mine, and the cars damaged in process) :(.

The Ambulance person, And police man told me, they have dozens of such identical accidents a day, just in their Arr.

@msstainstone @BrentToderian again annecdotic, the concequence for the Red-light dodging (yeah with the sign as excuse) cyclist in my case is thus: my damage: physical and property costs go to him + the damage to the cars done ( when falling).

All this without a proper insurance, is not a nice thing. Just stop at red lights, follow the f-in rules of the road.

@julienlanoo @BrentToderian you are mixing Things Up:

Not having an insurance - Not wise.

Not Passing a Red Light although it's - under conditions - allowed is comparabel to this:

We do not have a speed limit in Germany. It's safer to drive slower or at least Not As fast as you Like. In the case of accidents at speeds over 130 km/h, there is partial culpability. I still wouldn't say it's forbidden and every driver who goes faster is breaking the rules.

@msstainstone @BrentToderian I also dear Michelle, on a personal note,
I can attest that a Cyclist slamming in to you at 30km/h, while Yr just crossing on foot at a Zebra Crossing with a green light, because fore-mentioned cyclist decided to ignore a red light and wooz past stopped cars, is painfull.

According to my still healing leg :p
( yeah it's very "current")

And the poor dude had no road insurance neither. So "not, a, good, idea to do that".

cognitively accessible math Mar 12, 2023

@julienlanoo @BrentToderian LOL Did you read the article?

@geonz @BrentToderian I did, but initial remark was not about the article.

initially the remark was about the post introducing the article: yeah don't make that statement it's not true. ;) - But that went off the rails 🫣😊

Yvan Decreux Mar 15, 2023

@julienlanoo @BrentToderian
Despite being shown evidence that motorists break rules as often as cyclists and are way more dangerous when doing so, there will always be the usual trolls claiming the opposite. I was hoping they would have stayed on Twitter.

Yvan Decreux Mar 15, 2023

@julienlanoo @BrentToderian
Of course, Paris is their main area of concern, because they see that motorists are losing ground there.