Jed LeonardFeb 21, 2023
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Did the NYT really publish an Opinion speculating that young girls today are more depressed than ever because of _phones_?

In a world where they lost the right to control their own reproductive healthcare? Where states are pondering making them report their periods? In a world debating genital inspections to play school sports? While banning books? Where they practice school shooting drills? With climate change? Where sexual assault isn’t disqualifying for public office?

Sure, it’s the phones.

Feb 20, 2023 at 10:34amWeb
Show threadNadia Purge 🎵Feb 20, 2023
@goosname ::a curl of imaginary cigarette smoke emerges from the dark, all words said already, only wordless rage left standing::
Show threadRAMΞNJVNKIΞ🍜Feb 20, 2023

@goosname I mean, if they didn't have a constant stream of news available in their pocket, they would not know about how they are getting their rights stripped away!

(/s)

Show thread👀  Feb 20, 2023
@goosname not sure about phones. But social media plays a big role in it. Together with a ton of other stuff.
Show threadJimboFeb 20, 2023
@goosname That’s so when President DeSantis bans all phones and access to the internet (which he will), the Times will be well positioned to praise him.
Show threadVooduDrewFeb 20, 2023
@goosname Can you publish a link. for this NYT article because I can't find it.
Show threadUntitled Goose NameFeb 20, 2023
@VooduDrew No, I don’t read or link to transphobic trash like the NYT.
Show threadVooduDrewFeb 20, 2023
@goosname I’m confused. Then how do you know that’s accurate?
Show threadSoNotNic 🐍🐉🐈Feb 21, 2023

@VooduDrew

The title of this opinion piece by Ross Douthat is currently "American Teens Are Really Miserable. Why?" and the webpage title is "The Smartphone and the Sources of Teenager Despair." It was published on 18 Feb 2023.

"The timing of the mental health trend fits the smartphone’s increasing substitution for in-person socialization..."

Show threadVooduDrewFeb 21, 2023
@SoNotNic and thank you as well for this. Beginning to make sense to me now.
Show threadOriel Jutty Feb 21, 2023
@VooduDrew @goosname I don't have a NYT subscription myself, but they might be referring to "American Teens Are Really Miserable. Why?" (alternative title: "The Smartphone and the Sources of Teenager Despair") by Ross Douthat, published on 2023-02-18.
Show threadVooduDrewFeb 21, 2023
@barubary Ahhh...thanks for this.
Show threadVooduDrewFeb 21, 2023
@barubary Had a subscription but cancelled a few months ago.
Show threadAmanda CarsonFeb 20, 2023
@goosname Yes. Yes they did.
Show threadThe BEST WordsFeb 20, 2023
@goosname Spot on. Not to mention violence against women, incels, and the like.
Show threadLizardFeb 20, 2023

@goosname Required by law that I make this.

https://i.imgflip.com/7btwf7.jpg

Show thread와사비Feb 20, 2023
@LizardSF @goosname "If they didn't have phones they wouldn't know what's wrong with our society! Ban phones!"
Show threadElennaFeb 20, 2023
@goosname during a global pandemic in which most governments have settled on the response "die, peasants"
Show threadWesley SantosFeb 20, 2023
@goosname making then report their periods? Is this in US? wtf is that real?
Show threadRobin from Colorado 🇺🇸🇺🇦Feb 20, 2023
@goosname well their phones told them that 😂
Show threadColopenFeb 20, 2023

@goosname social media & the reality of the world can be depressing to a young girl. Social media has a large influence on everyone's experience of the world especially our young ppl. This probably weighs heavier than many current events. There are still unrealistic expectations on young girls, the stress of online relationships & other things.

Not to say they're unaware of what's going on in the news, but they don't process it exactly the same way us older, more politically aware folks do.

Show threadBarry GoldmanFeb 20, 2023

@goosname if anything, having phone-drugs in our pockets helps NUMB us to th horrors happening around.

Civilization is very good at manufacturing drugs.

Show threadKevin RussellFeb 20, 2023

@goosname

The New York times decorates its divisive bullshit with great articles from good writers, which dont impact the divisiness of its disinformation on ALL THE OTHER PAGES.

Show threadDanFeb 20, 2023
@goosname in fairness if we kept them in dark rooms with no access to media, they wouldn't know how terrible everything was
Show threadPeter AshfordFeb 20, 2023
@goosname 1000% OMG
Show threadJack Yan (甄爵恩)Feb 20, 2023
@goosname I was last in NYC many years ago, and from what I can tell on social media, thereʼs less and less difference between the Times and the Post there.
Show threadPotato Enthusiast 🇵🇸Feb 20, 2023
@goosname well yes. If they take away the communication devices the kids will be more easily ignored.
Show threadjonossa seuraavaFeb 20, 2023
@goosname
Show threadToni ScottFeb 20, 2023
@goosname
Ah sure, you're making that mistake of confusing a few states in the USA with "The World". Anyone attempting a genital inspection around these parts would be arrested PDQ.
Show threadAmadi LovelaceFeb 21, 2023
@ToniScott @goosname are you under the impression that young girls in currently safe states aren’t looking at what’s happening with abortion rights in 24 states, 301 anti-trans and LGBTQ bills in this legislative session alone, and not feeling concerned for the people who are impacted as well as recognizing that a shift in the political power in the states where they live can easily bring that same fascism to them?
Show threadToni ScottFeb 21, 2023
@amaditalks @goosname
Sounds grim, and I'm sorry you live in such a shit country. My only point is that the USA is not "The World".
Show threadMOVED TO @[email protected] (Julia )Feb 20, 2023
@goosname the closest thing that actually is a contributing factor would be social media, but its nothing by comparison to the things you mentioned
Show threadJust StaciFeb 20, 2023
@goosname also declared that they are proud of their biased reporting. they have lost all credibility.
Show threadPyperkubFeb 20, 2023
@goosname given that just about EVERY SINGLE young girl has a phone, while most have never had to deal with most of what you are discussing, yeah. If you were to ask 1000 young girls, problems with their phone, and general everyday things actually would overwhelm those other concerns, regardless of how horrifying they can be, due to sheer volume.
Show threadBeccaFeb 20, 2023

@goosname I teach young girls and they aren’t thinking about any of the things you listed because of the phones. They are worried about what people say about them on the phones. They are trying to see what’s trending on the phones. They are being bullied on the phones.

I could tell them that the government is thinking of tracking their periods and they would say it’s gross and then go back to the phones to see who has to say what about whom.

It is the phones.

Show threadMichaelFeb 20, 2023

@BeccainColorado @goosname

I'm clearly not a young woman and don't interact much with them. But you really don't think the 1 out of 3 women subject to abuse (and their friends and family) might suffer from some kind of anxiety or depression outside of their phones?

"Violence against women is endemic in every country and culture"

One in three women endure physical or sexual violence: WHO

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-women-who-violence-idUSKBN2B11VO

One in three women endure physical or sexual violence: WHO

Nearly one in three women worldwide is subjected to physical or sexual violence during her lifetime, pervasive criminal behaviour that has increased during the pandemic, the World Health Organization (WHO) said on Tuesday.

Reuters
Show threadBeccaFeb 21, 2023

@michaelboys @goosname

This isn’t what the opinion piece was about, nor is it what OP was talking about.

I’m sure the girls being sexually assaulted are anxious and depressed about that.

Show threadMichaelFeb 21, 2023

@BeccainColorado @goosname

the opinion piece wasn't about this because they want to blame phones instead of the environments where women must live (OP's point).

OP cited "Where sexual assault isn’t disqualifying for public office?" It's not because it's normal for 1 out of 3 women, giving them
plenty of reason to be anxious or depressed.

And you agree 1 out of 3 women are anxious and depressed NOT because of their phones yet dismiss environment because you want it to be phones?

Show threadMichaelFeb 21, 2023

@BeccainColorado @goosname

I'll be happy to drop this if
@goosname agrees it's not what they were talking about and it really is the phones. I thought they were incredulous that the NYT would blame phones when so many other things in the environment are cause for depression and anxiety.

What do you think they were talking about?

I seem to miss the point more often than I used to so I'll certainly defer to OP since it was their post.

Show threadBeccaFeb 21, 2023

@michaelboys @goosname

You’re not making any sense and I’m not having a bad faith argument with someone who can’t handle being wrong on the internet. We left Twitter for a reason.

Show threadJohn🥛Feb 20, 2023
@goosname Social media usually via phones a big factor...
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/13/health/teen-girls-sadness-suicide-violence.html
Record Levels of Sadness in Teen Girls, CDC Reports

Adolescent girls reported high rates of sadness, suicidal thoughts and sexual violence, as did teenagers who identified as gay or bisexual.

Show threadNick RaschkeFeb 20, 2023
@goosname fascists gonna fasc
Show threadPatrick StewartFeb 20, 2023
@goosname but don't worry it's an opinion piece.
Show threadSionaFeb 20, 2023

@goosname

Especially given this from the same paper:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/19/world/europe/andrew-tate-uk-teachers.html?

"And for the first time in her 20 years of teaching, her 11- to 16-year-old students have challenged her for working and asked if she had her husband’s permission."

British Schools Work to Combat Andrew Tate’s Views

Alarmed by an online personality’s popularity among their students, educators are mobilizing to combat the sexism he promotes.

The New York Times
Show threadRosemary McNaughtonFeb 20, 2023
@goosname also, phones make you aware of all this which is both anxiety-provoking and potentially empowering since you come to realize you’re not going through this all alone!
Show threadCarrieFeb 20, 2023
@goosname OR lots of girls have been depressed in the past but no one cared to ask.
Show threadThe Eva Dead💀Feb 21, 2023

@goosname But you see, if they did not have access to the *phones* that give them information, they wouldn’t have to worry their pretty little future-housewife-and-baby-incubator heads about any of that silly stuff and they would automatically be happier to serve their husbands, as is their Christian-God-intended natural state.

(very, very sarcasm)

*vomits from the disgust at even writing that bullshit out*

Show threaddana Feb 21, 2023
@goosname @blinkygal To be fair, if their phones were taken away maybe they wouldn’t know what horrors their lives are about to be. /s
Show threadtouslesmuscsFeb 21, 2023
@goosname I do think that overt misogyny is on the rise on social media, and has been for some time. Several of the issues you mentioned are probably related - book-banning would have been inconceivable without the conservative hysteria amplified by social media. I'm not a teen, but even I'm depressed by it all. I had always assumed progressive attitudes would, you know, progress, but apparently I was wrong.
Show threadJohn GordonFeb 21, 2023
@goosname Do you mean the Douthat editorial? He blamed deviation from pre-Vatican II catholic tradition rather than phones.
Show threadAndrewFeb 21, 2023
@goosname are they using those phones to read the new york times?
Show threadVoradams Feb 21, 2023
@goosname surely it is not the phones per se, but the content delivered in the phones from MSM and Social Media?
Show threadquixoteFeb 21, 2023
@goosname Well, you have to admit it's the phones that _tell_ us about all those things. Without phones, they'd just be reading Jane Austen and be happy as clams. Riiight? 😜
Show threadJon AwbreyFeb 21, 2023

@goosname

#NYTWYT

Show threadAdamas NemesisFeb 21, 2023
@goosname Incredibly out-of-touch, isn't it? To the point I wonder if it's actually on purpose; after all, if you blame evil technology (or evil foreigners or whatever) for all your problems you never have to take any responsibility. Disgusts me we let these people get away with such tactics.
Show threadBillStewart415Feb 21, 2023
@goosname The byline says "Ross Douthat", so you should have known not to bother reading it.
Show threadmeowdudeFeb 21, 2023
@goosname Yes. Social media and internet usage have commoditifed social interactions which is massively detrimental to socialization of children. We are social animals, in a world of increasingly predatory social stimuli. Children are most vulnerable. The exsitsnce of other problems doesnt invalidate another. Try harder.
Show threadOnceoday 🩺🕊🏕Feb 21, 2023

@goosname

"The real crisis, the problem that needs fixing, isn’t girls’ mental health. In the midst of all this violence and dehumanization, their depression is actually very reasonable! Girls’ brains are doing what they’re supposed to do—warning them that this is all very bad."
https://jessica.substack.com/p/how-much-more-can-girls-take​

Show threadOnceoday 🩺🕊🏕Feb 21, 2023
@goosname
Re-tooted from @philipncohen