Cyclists are portrayed in debates about bike lanes as younger, athletic people. Berkeley's Commission on Aging recommended against supporting the city's current bike lane project (#Hopkins), apparently thinking bike lanes were not for older people.

And yet, over the past eleven years, the median age of the six cyclists and pedestrians severely injured or killed on Hopkins is 69. Only one of those people was under 50. The oldest was 78.

The stereotypes are wrong.

#Berkeley #BikeTooter

@marcprecipice

Good lord, as we 60+ like to say.

What's the status of that process? Those numbers are pretty stark, obvious.

@Doug_Bostrom it’s looking grim. The people along Hopkins are up in arms about loss of parking to allow space for the lanes, and some councilmembers and the Mayor seem to be listening. If you’re in Berkeley and want to support the lanes, writing to mayor@ and [email protected] to say why would be helpful.

@marcprecipice

Creating risk and hazard for the benefit of the few people using parking spaces over a day has been a stalling point here in Seattle as well.

I can see the need for addressing access for folks genuinely needing proximity to a door, part of our overall problem with car dependency. To some extent-- for a number of people-- functional streets would help with that.

Leaves some out-- the sole justification for parking anachronisms.

Already fully sussed out better, I'm sure.

@marcprecipice I’m sure it’s an attempt to delegitimize cycling by implying it’s just for kids.

Funny because my riding buddy is 60 while his teenage kids don’t ride.

@swfong absolutely, on delegitimizing.

@marcprecipice Most of the cyclists I see around Tilden Park are older.

I think they're insane. Even the people walking along Wildcat Canyon Road seem as if they would be better off hiking trails, rather than along a road where there is little to no bicycle lane.

I gave up riding a bicycle in the East Bay circa 2011 and my gf at the time nick named her bike the "death cycle" because of how precarious the roads are here. I don't even feel safe in a car. At least we have BART? ;-/

@marcprecipice I'm 67, and it's my primary mode of transportation in San Francisco.
@marcprecipice I know nothing about this subject but it seems to me your assumptions may be mistaken. Why would it not be the case that the vast majority of cyclists are younger while at the same time most serious accidents occur involving older cyclists who have slower reflexes and may be less observant?
@Kenneygeorge I don't mean to say that all cyclists are older. I mean to say that protected bike lanes (at issue on Hopkins) protect cyclists, and the people most in need of protection based on past crashes are generally older. The argument has been, "This will only benefit young athletic people," and I am saying, "I think it will benefit the people being hurt and killed."
@marcprecipice Ah, I get it. Thanks for clarifying. 🙂
@Kenneygeorge (Because there are a lot of schools in the area, I think protected bike lanes would also increase parents' confidence in riding to school with their kids, so future users may be *much* younger. This argument is just about who has been hurt or killed in the past.)

@Kenneygeorge @marcprecipice Oy, "May be less observant".

Have you meet teenagers?

@marcprecipice It’s a different story in DC: According to US DOT research, the demographic profile of the DC cyclist is 88% white, 6% black and 6% other. It is 67% male, affluent, highly educated and has a median age of 31. The DC Policy Center argues that bike lanes lead to increased gentrification, displacement and isolation of diverse communities: https://www.dcpolicycenter.org/publications/the-demographics-of-walking-and-biking-to-work/
The demographics of walking and biking to work tell yet another story of gentrification - D.C. Policy Center

The demographics of walking and biking to work tell yet another story of gentrification - D.C. Policy Center

D.C. Policy Center
Trends and determinants of cycling in the Washington, DC region.

@iapfel I'm interested to read these links; I've heard this point before but have seen mixed results in what I've read so far. Do these point to who is getting injured and killed? Those groups may differ from the overall set of riders.
@marcprecipice Not sure! But I do wonder if age was a contributing factor to mortality stats.
@iapfel I have to assume it was. My thought is that seniors (and others, including small kids) would be able to bike more safely in protected lanes, and so would be beneficiaries of those installations—not just younger athletic folks.

@marcprecipice @iapfel

It makes perfect sense - "If we built a bridge across the river, it would just benefit the fit young people in bathing suits we see swimming across the river today"

@iapfel @marcprecipice I read your link in full and I don’t see it concluding “bike lanes lead to increased gentrification.” It specifically emphasizes “correlation is not causation” and suggests improving bike lanes, but in conjunction with public transit improvements and expanding affordable housing stock.

That sounds good to me. After all, much of the point of improving bike safety is precisely to improve access to biking for those who don’t have access now.

@marcprecipice @scott 💯 DC is actually opening a new public high school near me this fall but they haven’t addressed public transit options yet. Area residents (including me) have told them this is imperative; more bus lines past the school are needed and are more important for this neighborhood than a bike lane.

@scott @iapfel @marcprecipice bike lanes increase gentrification only incidentally, in the same way that any other uncommon amenity does.

The answer isn't "don't build bike lanes", it's "build them so much that their presence isn't a unique incentive".

Nobody chooses where to live because roads are there, but if roads only existed in say 5% of neighborhoods they sure would.

@iapfel @marcprecipice I've heard that argument before, but I've never bought it - "nice things mostly exist in rich neighbourhoods, therefore putting nice things in poorer neighbourhoods would lead to gentrification. We must keep poor neighbourhoods unsafe and unpleasant, for the sake of the poor."
@iapfel @marcprecipice
When my dance friend retired for UNC Greensboro, she moved to DC, bought a condo, sold her car, and now, at 80, still gets around DC entirely by that city rental bike system and a bit of public transit.
@iapfel a) there's no USDOT research cited in that piece. b) the piece doesn't argue causation. c) if you think bike lanes caused gentrification and displacement in DC, you haven't been paying attention to gentrification and displacement in DC. @marcprecipice

@iapfel Have bike lanes on MLK Jr Ave SE (installed 2014), the rehabbed Oxon Run Trail (2018), or the new S Capitol Street Trail caused any gentrification and displacement in Livingston/Congress Heights?

How about bike lanes on Mass Ave SE (2012 maybe?), Ridge Road SE (2017), and Alabama Ave SE (2019) and the neighborhoods around Fort Circle Park?
@marcprecipice

@marcprecipice E-bikes are significant in this analysis.

#BikeTooter #berkeley #hopkins

@timbray How do you mean they are significant? I don't have data on what bikes the people injured and killed were riding, but at least some of the crashes were earlier (the full date range is 2011-2022), so I think it's less likely they were ebikes, especially at the start of the range.

@marcprecipice Oh, speaking as an Old Guy, I predict that E-bikes are going to keep a lot of bikers going further into old age, and actually turn some retired non-bikers into bikers. I'm an example of the former and I know people in the latter basket.

E-bikes are life-changers.

@timbray ohhh, I get what you mean, and yes, I totally agree.
@marcprecipice @ojrask And not only that, but enabling elderly people getting out of their homes is one of the better reasons to build safer bike infra! Makes for a more active and independent old age which leads to happier and healthier life overall.
@tommi @marcprecipice @ojrask I like how it changes from "when do we take away the car keys?" to "when do we try to convince granny to stop biking?"
@marcprecipice The same is true in Ireland: today's injured cyclist is in his late 60s, a very active man, cycling all his life, a serious cycling enthusiast, and was involved as a marshal with the Tour de France for a couple of years https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2023/02/09/rugby-player-conor-murrays-father-treated-for-serious-injuries-after-road-collision/ #cycling #trucks #infrastructure #age #safety #RoadSafety #CyclingInfrastructure #Ireland
Rugby player Conor Murray’s father treated for ‘serious injuries’ after road collision

Gerry Murray was cycling on the N20 near Patrickswell when his bike and a truck collided on Tuesday afternoon

The Irish Times
@marcprecipice At our #WinterBike To Work Day in Edmonton, of all places, the 60+ crowd probably outnumbered the 20-30 crowd. 🤔​
@Coprolite biking is a fountain of youth! Maybe the 20-30 crowd were the ones who had already drunk from the fountain. 😂
@marcprecipice This does explain how I’m not basically a bog mummy.
@marcprecipice bicycles terrify many older pedestrians, and for decades politicians in New York have promised to crack down on cyclists, especially delivery bikes
@bdeskin yup. My view is that having designated lanes and separated spaces for bikes makes it easier for all road users to predict and avoid oncoming bikes. (fwiw, NYC DOT seems to agree.)
@marcprecipice On my local accident blackspot roundabout in Glasgow, the casualties are mostly older as well.
https://glasgowcycleman.wordpress.com/2022/11/08/deconstructing-the-auldhouse-roundabout-cycle-collisions-1999-2020/
Deconstructing the Auldhouse Roundabout: Cycle Collisions 1999-2020

or Do You Feel Lucky Punk? It doesn’t need saying that cycling will always have its safety uncertainties and I wouldn’t usually focus on one particular bit of road infrastructure. All the same I ta…

GlasgowCycleMan
@geomannie wow, that looks really rough for cycling. Your report of many near-misses makes sense. Eesh!
@marcprecipice That roundabout is a real problem. I know many cyclists who will never cross it. Unfortunately it lies on the route I need to go☹️

@geomannie @marcprecipice

At the risk of buying in to stereotypes:

The composition of that graph arguably may serve as an illustration of the relative degrees of common sense and healthy risk-aversion of females vs. males, given the shockingly lousy job we're doing with prioritizing safety of cyclists and pedestrians on streets.

And/or some other things, such as women get stuck with the car full of kids being shuttled hither and thither, etc., as we well know.

Stark disparity, anyway.

@Doug_Bostrom @marcprecipice Once I had looked at the data I realised that it perhaps indicated differences in risk aversion, men vs women. The sample size is small however.
Why are female cyclists more vulnerable to London's lorries?

As newly-wed City worker Ying Tao becomes the latest cyclist to be killed by an HGV in London, Rosamund Urwin asks why every female cycling death in recent years has involved a lorry

Evening Standard

@marcprecipice @geomannie

That is an -excellently- reported article. A wealth of information, exposes a lot of questions to be investigated more fully, has a few possible hints toward workarounds in an environment of lethal disparities.

And most of all, "It's not simple, simple answers won't do," if we're not able to separate these traffic flows.

One wonders about alternate separation of roadways akin to one-way schemes, in cities with amenable grids.

Thanks so much.

@Doug_Bostrom @marcprecipice
Within a few miles of my house in Glasgow, the last just a few weeks ago, 2 young female cyclists have been killed by HGV's.

Will anything happen as a result? Will the city spring into action & install safe cycle facilities? Will it restrict urban traffic? I doubt it.

I am gutted by these tragedies ☹️.

https://news.stv.tv/west-central/woman-who-died-after-crash-between-bike-and-hgv-outside-riverboat-casino-glasgow-named

Frenchwoman killed after crash between bike and HGV outside casino

A 22-year-old woman from Paris was named following the crash on the Broomielaw in Glasgow on Friday.

STV News

@geomannie @marcprecipice

Yes.

As I tell people who'd prefer to refuse to wear lifevests, "the misery is only starting when the dying is done."

We do not use our fine imaginations as much as we ought. These poor young women leave expanding ripples of grief. If we could all work harder to picture that, perhaps we'd figure out how not to drop such heavy rocks into our lives.

@marcprecipice I'm 71 and car free in Seattle. I rely mostly on my bike for transportation.
@richknox @marcprecipice 61 and car free for 11 years in San Francisco. Mostly public transit and walking, although I will ride a bike outside of San Francisco.
@marcprecipice I'm 63, commute year round by bike. It seems all the utility cyclists I see are old farts like me. It's the same crap I see in the anti bike lane debates here in #Vancouver about bike lanes discriminating against seniors and the disabled. Running along last week on the seawall, got passed by a senior on a bike and a guy riding a hand cycle.
@marcprecipice I am 68 years old and have some knee and ankle problems walking long distances but I bicycle regularly both for exercise and utilitarian purposes. The latter, more so now that I avoid public transportation due to the risk of virus contagion. I do not find bicycling stressful on my ankles and knees.