Layoffs:
- don't save money
- don't improve company performance
- don't increase stock pricess
- destroy trust
- have huge impacts on health, well-being, and income of employees

So why do layoffs? It's a network effect: execs lay people off because other companies are doing it

Stanford Biz School article: https://news.stanford.edu/2022/12/05/explains-recent-tech-layoffs-worried/

Harvard Biz Review:
https://hbr.org/2022/12/what-companies-still-get-wrong-about-layoffs

What explains recent tech layoffs, and why should we be worried? | Stanford News

As layoffs in the tech sector mount, Stanford Graduate School of Business Professor Jeffrey Pfeffer is worried. Research – by him, and others – has shown that the stress layoffs create takes a devastating toll on behavioral and physical health and increases mortality and morbidity substantially. Layoffs literally kill people, he said.

Stanford News

What can companies do instead of layoffs? Stanford prof Jeffrey Pfeffer lists the options:

- execs take pay cuts, and ask employees to do the same: "instead of giving 100% of the pain to 10% of people, give 100% of the people 10% of the pain"
- use economic stringency as an opportunity, picking up new talent amidst layoffs

@natematias This feels a little like the Reinhart-Rogoff #Excel error that resulted in so many misguided austerity measures globally from parties whose narrative it satisfied so conveniently.

https://theconversation.com/the-reinhart-rogoff-error-or-how-not-to-excel-at-economics-13646

The Reinhart-Rogoff error – or how not to Excel at economics

Last week we learned a famous 2010 academic paper, relied on by political big-hitters to bolster arguments for austerity cuts, contained significant errors; and that those errors came down to misuse of…

The Conversation

@natematias

execs take pay cuts

Well we all know that's not happening

@natematias Interestingly, there's one Big Tech company that did kind of just that:

* Hasn't announced any mass layoff
* Got their CEO to take a 40% pay cut
* Still hiring (albeit toned down) in strategic areas

@rija @natematias which one?
Tim Cook to take 40 percent Apple pay cut in 2023

Apple CEO Tim Cook plans to take a 40 percent pay cut in 2023 compared to his total compensation from last year.  The company said in a filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) on Thursday that Cook’s total target compensation for this year will be $49 million, down from the $84 million total…

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@natematias A lot of impact of the ills identified including publicity, engagement, and voluntary turnover are significantly lessened when "everyone is doing it." In that regard, if you are thinking of doing a layoff, only doing it if everyone is doing it makes a lot of sense.
@natematias in another lifetime, I was made a manager for a mining house. One of very few women. I participated in a number of ‘restructures’. I tell you, laying people off was a power rush for many of my peers. When I spoke of the consequences for their families, their lives, it was dismissed out of hand. I sometimes meet the people I laid off. It doesn’t feel good
@natematias Also it seems an auto fulfilling prophesy: shares of companies that lay off rise, because people believe that they will do more money.
@natematias these execs would totally jump off a bridge if they saw other c-class drones doing it.

@natematias

It helps if you think of it in terms of class warfare:

PRE-FLIGHT:
layoffs are a cavalry charge

POST-FLIGHT:
layoffs are a strategic bombing campaign

This is all happening because during the 2020 presidential campaign, somebody said "tax the rich" and the rich were like "well, you're going to pay for that soon."

@natematias It's not just the companies who don't follow the science, it's the media that reports on them - the way layoffs are accepted and framed.
@natematias hey, I really appreciate that you added CWs to this. Makes it easy to get an overview of what the post is about!
@maloki @natematias why there is nothing offensive or triggering, it's just using it as a read more button and now every reply starts with the same CW
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@maloki @natematias Reading the thread and seeing the original statement multiplied in every answer and having to expand again and again to see the contribution the responder made is a dreadful experience. I was wondering whether that mastodon instance was set up for this sort of discussion style because I didn't even realize it is "abuse" of the content warning mechanism. If responders all switched it off, the thread would be a lot more readable, but apparently it is easily overlooked.
@KarlE you can click on the OP, and then the eye icon to expand every single reply in one go.
@natematias So it's like stock pricing. Entirely artificial.
@natematias I was completely unfamiliar with all of this. Thank you for sharing!
@natematias The Line demands a sacrifice
@natematias Are you suggesting that execs are not rational actors?
@natematias And the Fed is explicitly directing them to do so! Borrowing rates will continue to rise until they are satisfied that enough people are unemployed. That's the leading cue.
@natematias This is great! Thank you for sharing

@natematias I always ask myself, “Would a different set of goals make this apparently irrational action, rational?”

What if the goal of layoffs is to increase management power at the expense of workers?

@natematias I managed to get out of a tech startup that had laid off nearly 20% of the company in spring 2022 after we had our biggest quarter in sales. The CEO was completely out of touch with workers & I was shocked at how many folks lapped up his BS in the wake of the layoffs. I couldn’t wait to get out. Thank you for sharing this. I’m going to send it to my former co-workers.

@natematias It seems like most CEOs and CEO-wannabes are image-obsessed sociopathic frat boys in a tie, hoping no one notices that they're faking it all.

They've been brainwashed by MBA courses and working for other sociopaths into thinking that money is the only thing that matters and that people are disposable. Then they start comparing notes and try to one-up each other, as frat boys do.

@natematias Nate, I was just thinking this, they do it just because their boards tell them to go with the flow and it saves them a few bucks. It’s DESPICABLE. Even my company did it, and they were voted the best company to work for in [REDACTED].
@kroltanz @natematias my company who I threatened to haul in front of an employment tribunal are one of those award winners. The majority of people there (like myself) made it happen because it gets lapped up like a kilo of blow on the CV. Awards ≠ Excellence
@natematias “Weird” — wonder if “scientific management” might have some fundamental flaws as well??? 🤔🤨🧐
@natematias Layoffs do save money on the short term. Key words are “short term.”
@darnell Do they? «Microsoft said it will cut 10,000 jobs this year, or about 5% of its workforce, which will result in a $1.2 billion charge in the fiscal second quarter»
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-01-20/google-cuts-add-to-tech-wipeout-that-s-claimed-over-100-000-jobs
@darnell @natematias Yep. This can be good, if money is _really_ tight.

I've been laid off once in my live and completely understand why. The alternative would have been bankruptcy. Our boss created a business plan that required to reduce costs to a level that could be payed with current average income. He did not only take a cut on his own pay, but actively poured his own money into the company to pay our wages, until there was nothing left.

Lay offs can be a way to save the company, when you are really with your back against the wall. But I kind of doubt, that this is the case with the current big layoffs.
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Attached: 1 image Folks are treating the recent tech layoffs as something spontaneous. They were not. Apparently the current layoffs were orchestrated by hedge funds. This hedge fund demanded that the big tech companies lay people off because they were being paid too much. Let that one sink in: a hedge fund manager saying that you're being paid too much. Note that TCI is demanding that Google lay off more people.

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@natematias In addition to those aspects described, you have to consider throughput. You're losing 480,000 labor hours for the 12,000 people fired. If a company thinks it can be more flexible because of that, they're making a mistake.

That means either dropping existing projects altogether, or forcing more work on remaining employees. These employees are also presumably the "high performers", so you're piling on more work on them, potentially creating new bottlenecks in a company's processes.

It's one thing to trim away projects and products that are going no where. Google notoriously has done it's fair share of that over the years. But ideally you try to redistribute some employees to other teams to help improve their throughput when needed. But because you "hired too many people" is kinda disingenuous since management wasn't looking at efficiency or throughput capabilities of their own teams, but just deciding "we need more" and throwing more bodies at a problem.

@natematias This is a guess, but I also think Layoffs happen from time to time to refocus a company on different scopes. For example ChatGPT may be changing things for tech companies.
@kreegan99 @natematias of ChatGPT is not doing it already, it will.
@natematias Management as spectacle. Increasingly, people are not promoted for doing good work, it's more about how they can appear to do so. Cue McLuhan

@natematias

The cruelty is the point. They're fucking psychopaths.

@natematias I think it is also a matter of wrong objectives. Executives do not get measured by productivity or long term goals but by the quarterly and yearly financial results they produce. And the key is the word "adjusted". Layoff cost can be booked as non-recurring/ restructuring cost and be excluded from the "adjusted earnings" they publish. So it's all about making the numbers look pretty.
@natematias Not to mention a sudden loss in skills...which cannot always be simply re-started at a later date.
@natematias "Layoffs, they're so hot right now"
@hamisec @natematias they mostly don't call them (at least internally) as layoffs, now they call them "headcuts" as if the head that is being cut didn't made sure the body worked. Sometimes there's some money saving that can be done but only in the short term (the short-short term is expensive in most EU countries because of employee compensations).
@natematias In addition to the network effect, they also may think it helps reduce inflation via appeasing the fed so interest rates are lowered.

@natematias

thank you for sharing. we need to use network effects at scale for good to dismantle unjust and deadly policies and entities. #Network

example: tell five people to help five people today #FiveByFive

@natematias I was of the same feelings. Nothing but domino's effect. And on top of that destroyed trust and potential revenue hiring juniors.
@natematias this is not what the text says. it says e.g. that layoffs do cost but not that they don‘t save money. and the comparison in the text of prosperity of companies with/without layoffs mixes up causalities.
@natematias The purpose of the layoffs is to put the capitalist class back in control of the labor market. The pandemic has empowered the working class a little too much for their comfort so they need to send a message to the remaining workers to get back in line.
@natematias in my experience it can also just be the other side of the pendulum swing of having hired a ton of people who aren't especially qualified. "We need bodies to grow!" sentiment piles on a ton of chaff that will eventually need to be shaken out.
@natematias @shep my addition: aggressive hiring is the other side that we aren't talking about and I can't help but speculate that overhiring is also caused by a similar network effect, which also feeds these layoffs. Would love to see that factored into the science as I have no studies to back up this hypothesis😁
@natematias there's a good explanation here at 50:50 - sorry, can't get the link at the specifc time on mobile - but worth watch the whole video. https://youtu.be/RMxazanoEVg . I'm also looking forward to buy the book. In a nutshell, it's the good old capitalism trying to maintain the status quo, history repeating itself.
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@natematias It's especially absurd when the companies have tens of billions in cash. A triumph of short-term shareholder capitalism.

@natematias

I agree with Prof. Pfeffer that there is a social contagion to layoffs but despite his statement that there are people that understand the science as he laid out, there are far too many upper management, board members, and Harvard MBAs that still think they are effective despite all evidence to the contrary because in the short term they do cut costs and can boost a failing stock price and that is what most publicly traded companies focus on, short term metrics.

@natematias The Stanford article is especially good, in my opinion. And these articles are blessedly free of the usual progressive/socialist critiques that go wide of the mark. https://news.stanford.edu/2022/12/05/explains-recent-tech-layoffs-worried/
What explains recent tech layoffs, and why should we be worried? | Stanford News

As layoffs in the tech sector mount, Stanford Graduate School of Business Professor Jeffrey Pfeffer is worried. Research – by him, and others – has shown that the stress layoffs create takes a devastating toll on behavioral and physical health and increases mortality and morbidity substantially. Layoffs literally kill people, he said.

Stanford News
@natematias @pho4cexa Unfortunately, because the general business belief is that they are good for businesses and they generally mean a brief but big reduction in costs before the giant costs of those layoffs are later felt, layoffs will continue to make "business sense"—by which I mean they will make sense for the company-hopping execs and their bonuses.