Taylor LorenzJournalists will never stick around this app long term sadly unless it adds quote posting. We desperately need it to communicate effectively, build on each others ideas, and add crucial context to posts. These are things replies simply do not accomplish. Also quote posting or reblogging does not = harassment! Tumblr, for instance, has had the feature since the beginning. We need it here now too šš»
Reblogging is organic user behavior and Twitter built the quote tweet feature because so many people were doing it manually already. Itās a huge burden on the user not to have this simple and important feature on a social platform imo (again just my personal opinion!)
John Breen@taylorlorenz I appreciate your opinion, while contending that you are wrong about this. No, you don't "need" quote tweeting, and lack of it inconveniences no-one, IMHO. It's not a "huge burden", to be sure.
@jab01701mid I specified for journalists because I do believe it is a large burden and hamstrings our ability to contextualize and build on information. Again just my opinion! š
Anil@jab01701mid @taylorlorenz the mastodon tools are definitely not well designed for the mainstream journalist use case. I think we can either find ones that are closer or (more likely) newer tools will arise soon that are a better fit.
Rich Stroffolino OLD ACCOUNT@anildash @jab01701mid @taylorlorenz I feel like this is why (at least an attempt) for the Gmail-version of a Mastodon server: ad monetized, comes with a specific client that addresses these perceived gaps and adds functionality to make it user friendly. Iām not saying I want that, but I can see someone trying it. Of course it could be defederated by most servers if itās perceived as breaking/forking the protocolā¦ chicken, egg, etc.
@jab01701mid @taylorlorenz @mranthropology a more institution-friendly fediverse server seems inevitable.
Sriram "sri" Ramkrishna - š¼@anildash @jab01701mid @taylorlorenz @mranthropology Yes, I reckon that someone will have an instance that will have a fork of mastodon that includes quoting.
I don't agree with quote posting - it frequently is used to create hot takes or for mocking posts. I've never seen it used in a way that is positive. It just generates angst. It also puts others as the middle person/gateway on a tweet and allows the rise of influencers.
Journalists need to find other ways to do their journalism.
@sri @anildash @taylorlorenz @mranthropology I share your view Sriram - I've used QT myself, but it's similar to publishing a copy of somebody else's book, with an extra page prepended to the front saying "Before you ready this, here's my take". Does not end up being a fair engagement of ideas in most cases, and better to link to an exact, specific quote with attribution to somebody else's work/speech.
@jab01701mid @anildash @taylorlorenz @mranthropology If I want to refer to a toot/post - I just cut the url and then say something - but that extra step tends to stop me from doing a hot take but instead do something more nuanced.
mark@sri @jab01701mid @anildash @taylorlorenz @mranthropology yep. It slows down the hot takes. Forcing that couple of seconds to keep emotions in check is a great possibly accidental feature.
And I totally agree with every point where this seems like a desire to bring attention to one person for another person's work. It's OK to be not-twitter. It's probably actually good
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@ATLeagle @sri @jab01701mid @anildash @taylorlorenz @mranthropology interaction > reaction > provocation
@jab01701mid @anildash @taylorlorenz @mranthropology and yes, great points about attribution - it's just more respectful.
Joe Germuska@jab01701mid @sri @anildash @taylorlorenz @mranthropology i think of it more like a note on an article clipped from a magazine, and a way to give credit to the source who exposed me to the idea.
@JoeGermuska @jab01701mid @anildash @taylorlorenz @mranthropology
I think I would be pretty annoyed if I generated a content and everybody is discussing my content on the other person's timeline and everyone is over there talking about what I wrote. Worse, the QT was something negative so now you have a bunch of folks negatively talking about my content instead of engaging me directly.
I think I would be pretty annoyed if I generated a content and everybody is discussing my content on the other person's timeline and everyone is over there talking about what I wrote. Worse, the QT was something negative so now you have a bunch of folks negatively talking about my content instead of engaging me directly.
Thank you for the nice articulation against quote boost or quote post regarding āhot takesā or ābad faith takesā on content by journalists and large influencers. Journalists and influencers typically need quote posting, as a tool, to amplify a issue among users who are primarily in Mastodon as mentioned by you here. The post getting hijacked to another timeline is a collateral damage about which they would not care. Also there will be no motivation for them to use quote post embedding non-Mastodon platforms like Friendica, Pleroma, Misskey, Calckey, Akkoma etc. since Mastodon will not be recognising it.
I believe that the good actors will never mind those extra few steps to quote post on any platform while ensuring readability across other Fediverse platforms.
I like the above mentioned non-Mastodon platforms since none of them restrict me to 500 characters and help me avoid threads of posts which I personally find it stifling. Otherwise, Mastodon offers the essential features which is keeping the social media healthy till now. A newcomer will find it easier to join Mastodon compared to other Fediverse platforms due its rich ecosystem of well defined distributed communities and related code of conduct.
In my opinion, the best option is to use screenshots for quote posting since most (if not all) Fediverse platforms now support editing the post after posting.
#Mastodon #Fediverse #ActivityPub #QuoteToot #QuoteToots #QuotePost #QuoteBoost
Geoff Winkless@JoeGermuska @jab01701mid @sri @anildash @taylorlorenz @mranthropology why not just boost the post? What you're actually saying is you want the audience numbers.
@Geoff @JoeGermuska @jab01701mid @anildash @taylorlorenz @mranthropology
Audience on your unique timeline - because you can just as easily - respond to the original post and then boost your response. But then the responses all end up on the original poster's thread - something that apparently is undesirable.
Brian Jones@sri @Geoff @JoeGermuska @jab01701mid @anildash @taylorlorenz @mranthropology we shouldnāt be forced to engage with others to express ourselves; we shouldnāt have to join a conversation with our rapist in order to condemn something they saidā¦ there are plenty of terrible people I never want to āengageā with.
@Geoff no, thatās not what Iām actually saying
Alex Galt š§@sri @anildash @jab01701mid @taylorlorenz @mranthropology
I don't dispute the thrust of what you wrote here, but it's just not the case that quote tweeting is never used positively. I've frequently seen it used (including by me) to affirm and spread great points that people have made.
@alex_galt @anildash @jab01701mid @taylorlorenz @mranthropology
Of course, good actors will use it positively - but in the aggregate when you combine it with influencers - that's where it can get abused.
I agree, I just couldn't let the idea that it was never used positively stand. I frequently find myself missing it. Boosting is good, but sometimes I like adding context and some goodwill.
@alex_galt Which you can - you just copy the link. That extra step - is just enough to stop you from doing a knee jerk reaction and writing something and posting. :-) It is kind of building that "are you SURE you want to do that?" but without actually building that into the UX š
@sri Ok, I'm satisfied by that. I hadn't really thought to do it that way.
Martin Rundkvist@sri @anildash @jab01701mid @taylorlorenz @mranthropology I miss quote posting because personally I use it mainly to comment enthusiastically on stuff I like. But I know it's commonly used antagonistically by others.
Jon Henshaw@anildash @jab01701mid @taylorlorenz @mranthropology right. Everyone has focused almost solely on Mastodon, but it could be solved with a fork of Mastodon or a competing platform. The only thing that matters is that it supports the ActivityPub protocol. The audience and post-viewing capabilities remain the same. The only difference might be the style formatting of a quoted post might be lost on Mastodon proper.
Iggy@anildash @jab01701mid @taylorlorenz @mranthropology Literally Fediverse server apps Akkoma and Misskey already have quote-toots currently.
Olav@mranthropology @anildash @jab01701mid @taylorlorenz Tumblr is federating (16m users), and we shall see how that goes. Flickr (113m users) is still *might* and that would be interesting as well.
@TexasObserver is an example of a federated news org, and WaPo is "coming out with something exciting" and reliable sources suggest they may federate soon too.
I know Q/T has been bandied here for a long time and so far the consensus is it does more harm than good.