seaweedanxietyDec 16, 2022
Mike Masnick ✅

Listening to the Twitter Space where Musk buddy Jason Calacanis is defending the removal of journalist accounts (to many of the journalists who were removed, who somehow can still join the space).

And he's RAGING about personal danger, and insisting this is something totally new (it's not).

Um. Also this was the same debate about Jan 6 / Trump decision. That Musk & friends mocked & insisted was unfair.

Dec 16, 2022 at 4:30amWeb
Show threadMike Masnick ✅Dec 16, 2022

Jason saying "if you've been on the other side of this" (meaning stalked) "your position will change immediately."

How is he then NOT CONNECTING THIS to how trust & safety has worked at Twitter going back years?

Show threadMike Masnick ✅Dec 16, 2022
For what it's worth, I get kicked out of the Twitter Space every 2 minutes or so and have to rejoin.
Show threadMike Masnick ✅Dec 16, 2022
Oh great. Elon's in the Space now too. This will be fun.
Show threadMike Masnick ✅Dec 16, 2022
Elon claims that linking to ElonJet is "ban evasion." Which is... quite a ridiculous interpretation of "ban evasion."
Show threadMike Masnick ✅Dec 16, 2022
Sorry, it's tough for me to follow this because I get dropped from the Space every 2 minutes or so. And it looks like Elon also just got dropped.
Show threadMike Masnick ✅Dec 16, 2022

So... I kept getting removed from the Space, and after Elon left it was just reporters discussing and not much to report... but now the Space is dead... even though people were still talking...

So now we have to wonder, did Elon just pull the plug on the space?

Show threadLeta McCollough SeletzkyDec 16, 2022
@mmasnick I was there and wondered what happened…
Show threadAlan TwigzDec 16, 2022
@mmasnick never attribute to malice, etc
Show threadTyrannyDec 16, 2022
@mmasnick same, disconnected about 5x, and right when overlord was about to speak.
Show threadJeff Dec 16, 2022
@mmasnick the space or spaces?
Show threadNezlorDec 16, 2022
@mmasnick He had to redo the space. Too many options.
Show threadBob McWilliamsDec 16, 2022
@Nezzie @mmasnick good one
Show threadMichael SDec 16, 2022
@mmasnick Do bears shit in the woods?
Show threadWater but said like SEGADec 16, 2022
@mmasnick I think he was telling them that Ban Evasion was a ban able offense and the ElonJet account (and the other banned journos) WAS in the space so he's going to fall back to that as his excuse. Amazing. just amazing.
Show threadSpencer DaileyDec 16, 2022
@mmasnick after having an exchange with a banned journalist (Drew), it probably bugged him that the banned person was still participating on Twitter
Show threadDavid KubatDec 16, 2022
@mmasnick Yeah, I bet finding out all the people he banned from his club house was a real suprise to the super smart real good code evaluator guy and he had to find someone left in the cavernous offices to nuke it.
Show threadDavid HaimesDec 16, 2022
@mmasnick
You can see/hear the spaces conversation here. His ban evasion argument wasn’t cutting it so he left when pressed.
https://twitter.com/forevereversley/status/1603612770892918784?s=12&t=tTDfWDxrMzhaEsIiXrnaUQ
Bradley Eversley on Twitter

“Holy Shit. Elon Musk just popped into a Twitter Spaces chat with a bunch of journalists. He was called out by journalist Drew Harrell, who he banned, for lying about posting links to his private information, then leaves almost immediately after being pressed. Here is the exchange”

Twitter
Show threadaliendialDec 16, 2022

@dhaimes @mmasnick My connection was fine, and I thought they were all having such a good conversation, even while Elon spoke. I was not listening when he left but came back to hear a continuing conversation with Elonjet articulating his concerns in light of the changing landscape and what Elon said, and then poof it all cut off.

TBH by then there was a bit of rehashing of previous statements going on by then, but I think a lot of the basic concepts and concerns were spelled out pretty clearly.

Show threadEben Pelcyger Dec 16, 2022
@mmasnick https://twitter.com/katienotopoulos/status/1603619497461616640?s=61&t=MELKfQlGzhR1IwlqgEWgdA
Katie Notopoulos on Twitter

“Sorry it appears the Space cut out, screen went suddenly blank on my end and everyone got booted.”

Twitter
Show threadTakel Dec 16, 2022
@mmasnick given that the links to it are showing up as "Details not available" now instead of just "this Space has ended", I'm assuming he did
Show threadBrad BelstockDec 16, 2022
@mmasnick here you go, this is what you missed. https://twitter.com/brenonade/status/1603612768221155328
Brennan Murphy on Twitter

“Here is Elon’s full appearance in @katienotopoulos’ spaces with banned journalists tonight”

Twitter
Show threadTristen Grant 🖌Dec 16, 2022
@mmasnick it suddenly stopped for me.
Show threadCranky DavidDec 16, 2022
@mmasnick
ban evasion I'm sure.
Show threadJudeDec 16, 2022
@mmasnick I couldn’t help cut wonder how the results to his personal “polls” would be used also
Show threadJust AliceDec 16, 2022

@mmasnick
The person who started it (Katie) said something about wrapping up and everyone agreed, but then asked #ElonJet if they had any insight into #Musk's motivations from his responses during his brief time in the Space. I hopped off then in disgust (Musk's motivations are now, and have always been, clear).

Sounds like it ended a few minutes later, so it ending of their own accord or being ended by Elon are both equally plausible.

#TwitterSpaces #Journalism

Show threadSophie Zhang (张学菲)Dec 16, 2022
@mmasnick
Unclear whether it's incompetence (Twitter hiccup because no maintenance) or being intentionally killed. Not sure how much Hanlon's Razor applies here.
Show threadJust AliceDec 16, 2022

@mmasnick
Okay, we don't have to wonder. Katie just confirmed it was a plug-pull.

https://mobile.twitter.com/katienotopoulos/status/1603619497461616640?s=46&t=H0kp-PsNOGTT639j7HJRCw

#Twitter #TwitterSpaces

Katie Notopoulos on Twitter

“Sorry it appears the Space cut out, screen went suddenly blank on my end and everyone got booted.”

Twitter
Show threadExiled New Yorker- ConnieDec 16, 2022

@AliceAllonym @mmasnick
Darn it!
I’m trying valiantly not to click links to there.
This is one I did.

What a … tool.

Show threadChris PirilloDec 16, 2022
@mmasnick ...if only the people who built Twitter Spaces weren't fired. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Show threadRussell SteinthalDec 16, 2022

@mmasnick

Well, at least you know it's nothing personal. :)

Show threadr00tdeniedDec 16, 2022
@mmasnick I'm listening in too, I think he just said his piece and left honestly.
Show threadErik HoltenDec 16, 2022

@r00tdenied @mmasnick Yes, "end of story" then a disconnect according to this:

https://writing.exchange/@ernie/109521506072359383

Ernie Smith (@[email protected])

LOL, Elon went into the Twitter Space, was asked a tough question, said “end of story” and left. What a baby!

Writing Exchange
Show threadAdam Gessaman Dec 16, 2022
@mmasnick I'm sure he'll head down to that team's floor to see if there are any of them left to fire—or sell their desks out of spite.
Show threadJay 🆘Dec 16, 2022
@mmasnick I've been recording for an hour
Show threadAndrew ClementDec 16, 2022
@jsit @mmasnick Be sure to share. Intersting
Show threadMike Masnick ✅Dec 16, 2022
@jsit do you have the jason part? saw you posed the elon bit...
Show threadrjgnycDec 16, 2022
@mmasnick He stormed off more than dropped, explaining that any news about a website that has information on it that he doesn't approve of is disallowed on his site.
Show threadrjgnycDec 16, 2022
@mmasnick You did get a shoutout about how this is yet another example of a speedrun through content moderation.
Show threadrjgnycDec 16, 2022
@mmasnick What's also interesting is that after kicking a fit in the space, where he was clearly upset, he's back to "lol 🤣" responses to his supporters, trying to dunk on AOC, reposting polls because what he wanted it to result in didn't happen, etc.
Show threadMike Masnick ✅Dec 16, 2022
@rjgnyc wait, by who?
Show threadrjgnycDec 16, 2022
@mmasnick I think Drew? The context was how Elon is [poorly] grasping the fact that content moderation can't be just "is it illegal"
Show threadMatt DonovanDec 16, 2022
@mmasnick I doubt he got dropped. He showed no interest in directly answering any questions and left after a timid effort to control the narrative.
Show threadWildGorillaManDec 16, 2022
@polipope @mmasnick He’s such a chicken
Show threadGwen Snyder is uncivilDec 16, 2022
@mmasnick lol pretty sure he ran
Show threadBrad BelstockDec 16, 2022
@mmasnick it is still going. Elon spoke and basically repeated that doxxing will get you banned and pretty much said journalists will be treated just like citizens. In short I think the analysis here is Elon is simply looking for Elon. He said his stuff and then left.
Show threadCranky DavidDec 16, 2022
@mmasnick
all of the muskrat mooks are weak tea.
Show threadBlake C. StaceyDec 16, 2022
@mmasnick An infinitely more modest version of going to Mars, ain't it
Show threadKenDec 16, 2022
@mmasnick holy shit lol
Show thread🏴 Greg Sideyr ​Dec 16, 2022
@mmasnick waiting for him to ban everyone in the space
Show threadAnomalous HumanDec 16, 2022
@mmasnick I've been stalked. Jason is wrong.
Show threadBrandonDec 16, 2022
@mmasnick Jason used to do tech podcasts I’d listen to and he always rubbed me the wrong way. Only popped back on my radar lately and I didn’t miss him.
Show threadKim ScheinbergDec 16, 2022
@mmasnick
Calacanis never fails to live down to his reputation.
Show threadranjanDec 16, 2022
@kims @mmasnick you can’t deal with bad faith
Show threadDavid BinkowskiDec 16, 2022
@mmasnick I've met top dollar clowns who've been fortunate. Jason is up there.
Show threadeko_dot_swfDec 16, 2022
@mmasnick I'm disappointed that none of the speakers are calling out the phony and disingenuous premise to his line of questioning
Show threadDianeDec 16, 2022
@ekozie @mmasnick
I think there were a couple attempts at the start, but imo they let him go on too long and gave up control. Once he declared he was changing the topic of the space from “journalists being banned” to “what kind of world do we want to create” and no one cut him off, I couldn’t take it anymore and stopped listening.