Everyone on here will be way ahead on this, but just to say my daughter (27, 2 years #LongCOVID ) just started using the new #visible app from #makevisible.com and is finding it really helpful making her aware of what things do and don't exacerbate crashes
@nickjeffreys Understanding the importance of HRV has been eye opening for me. I backwards engineered it by using Fitbit data and finding trends only to realize after the fact it is known and used in the wider community! I just started using Visible and feel hopeful that the Pace score might be useful

@laurens if you have time, can you tell me a bit more about this (or point me to some links)? I've seen HRV talked about in fitbit, but I still haven't wrapped my head around it and what it can indicate

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@Rhyothemis @laurens @nickjeffreys awesome!! Tyvm ๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒŸ
@trendless @laurens @nickjeffreys
1 thing to note - these videos can give the impression that parasympathetic activation (which reads as high HRV) is always good. If you take daily readings & get a sudden increase in HRV / high parasympathetic tone - that can indicate infection or recovery from heavy training. HRV apps / fitness trackers will typically advise a 'recovery day'.

Also, in 3rd video Dr Gervitz says that GI problems are from lacking a brake on sympathetic activity ... 1/

@trendless @laurens @nickjeffreys

However, according to Florsheim et al. "The extreme state of parasympathetic activity, nausea, aims to protect from toxic substances."

Florsheim et al. (2021)
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.cell.2020.12.007

#nausea #vomiting #allergy #dysautonomia #gastroenterology #parasympathetic #sympathetic #VagusNerve

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@trendless @laurens @nickjeffreys

I'm interested in this topic since my daughter was hospitalized for 5 wks w/ intractable nausea & vomiting.

We have tried resonance breathing & it did not work for either of us since we had shortness of breath; we were not breathing too deeply (hyperpnea).

But it works for many ppl & I made a worksheet for finding personalized resonance breathing frequency:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SOyjtrDcKVdSK3ZMjPRVuIXgtvDADdlngERFXkkrQw0/edit?usp=sharing

#ResonanceBreathing #BreathTraining #Breathing
#BreathingExercises #HRV
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Personal Resonance Frequency Breathing Worksheet

Personalized Resonance Frequency Breathing Open EliteHRV app and choose Biofeedback, then Custom Breathing Set pace according to chart, set hold times to zero and set the timer for 2 minutes Rest at least 2 minutes between paces Easiness Rating is your subjective opinion rating ranging from 1 (...

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@trendless @laurens @nickjeffreys

What I've found works better for me (& I'm lucky in that I can feel the effects immediately) is Andrew Weil's 4-7-8 breathing. He says not to do more than 8 cycles per session. Unfortunately, it does not have same immediate effect on my daughter & it's hard to get her to do things consistently if she does not notice a benefit.

Relaxation techniques in general don't work well after eating; it's best to wait 2 hrs.

4-7-8 video:
https://youtu.be/_-C_VNM1Vd0 4/4

Andrew Weil 4-7-8 Breathing Technique

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@Rhyothemis @trendless @laurens @nickjeffreys not following this convo closely so advance apologies if comment is out of place...

my n=1 experience was abnormally low resting AM HR usually preceded respiratory illness - often noted 3 to 4 days after successive days of over-reaching in training or 1 very hard race day - like 150+ km on arduous terrain & extreme temps

but - found HR was too late as predictor, mood self-evaluation & sleep quality were better metrics

@Rhyothemis @trendless @laurens @nickjeffreys fun videos! thanks!๐Ÿ™

I always thought of it as when relaxed my heart plays jazz & when activated it plays techno

raced bicycles through 70s & 80s so went from palpation to downloadable Polar monitors

with a resting HR in high 30s had to learn to calm my anxiety for the odd really loud heartbeat when falling asleep

@trendless @laurens Sorry I am not an expert, maybe reach out to @HarryLeeming on twitter, founder/CEO of the company, seems keen to engage
Reduced heart rate variability predicts fatigue severity in individuals with chronic fatigue syndrome/myalgic encephalomyelitis - Journal of Translational Medicine

Background Heart rate variability (HRV) is an objective, non-invasive tool to assessing autonomic dysfunction in chronic fatigue syndrome/myalgic encephalomyelitis (CFS/ME). People with CFS/ME tend to have lower HRV; however, in the literature there are only a few previous studies (most of them inconclusive) on their association with illness-related complaints. To address this issue, we assessed the value of different diurnal HRV parameters as potential biomarker in CFS/ME and also investigated the relationship between these HRV indices and self-reported symptoms in individuals with CFS/ME. Methods In this caseโ€“control study, 45 female patients who met the 1994 CDC/Fukuda definition for CFS/ME and 25 age- and gender-matched healthy controls underwent HRV recording-resting state tests. The intervals between consecutive heartbeats (RR) were continuously recorded over three 5-min periods. Time- and frequency-domain analyses were applied to estimate HRV variables. Demographic and clinical features, and self-reported symptom measures were also recorded. Results CFS/ME patients showed significantly higher scores in all symptom questionnaires (pโ€‰<โ€‰0.001), decreased RR intervals (pโ€‰<โ€‰0.01), and decreased HRV time- and frequency-domain parameters (pโ€‰<โ€‰0.005), except for the LF/HF ratio than in the healthy controls. Overall, the correlation analysis reached significant associations between the questionnaires scores and HRV time- and frequency-domain measurements (pโ€‰<โ€‰0.05). Furthermore, separate linear regression analyses showed significant relationships between self-reported fatigue symptoms and mean RR (pโ€‰=โ€‰0.005), RMSSD (pโ€‰=โ€‰0.0268) and HFnu indices (pโ€‰=โ€‰0.0067) in CFS/ME patients, but not in healthy controls. Conclusions Our findings suggest that ANS dysfunction presenting as increased sympathetic hyperactivity may contribute to fatigue severity in individuals with ME/CFS. Further studies comparing short- and long-term HRV recording and self-reported outcome measures with previous studies in larger CFS/ME cohorts are urgently warranted.

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@nickjeffreys What do we know about the privacy of the data collected? Sorry for being pessimistic.
@fritzt I haven't investigated this - all I know is that the company was founded with the involvement of people in the LC community that I trust and have followed for years. I don't know what the business model is, how or if the platform will be monetised. All valid questions but also sometimes there are good people doing good things. (BTW I am in the UK where human rights are becoming a thing of the past so I understand the concern)
@nickjeffreys thanks for the thoughtful answer. It could be that the privacy aspect is subordinate to the need for data and solutions for many.
@nickjeffreys TYVM, this looks promising - going to give it a try.