"Try reading the following out loud:

Hashtag screenreaders for the hashtag blind and hashtag VisuallyImpaired read every hashtag HashTags out loud and so it's hard for people with hashtag VisualImpairment to get the sense of the post because it's being constantly interrupted by well-meaning hashtag accessibility hashtag allies.

Easier to read with a block of hashtags at the bottom:
#screenreaders #VisuallyImpaired #blind #allies #Hashtags #accessibility"
--original author unknown

@kristinHenry I've gotten used to just ignoring the words "hashtag" "pound" and "number" in those situations.

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It seems so obvious when it it's explained like that. I don't have anything interesting to say but I'll try to remember this

@kristinHenry Thanks for this! I hadn't really thought of it like this before, but it makes sense. I shall amend my ways. #Accessibility
@kristinHenry I had no idea! Thank you!

@kristinHenry I've seen mention in previous toots that it's better to capitalise hashtags instead making them all lowercase. It helps Screenreaders identify the individual words.

#ScreenReaders

@kristinHenry now I feel worse than I already did, but thank you for pointing this out
@raineer don't feel bad. You didn't know. Neither did I. We can just learn, and develop new habits. :)
@kristinHenry Thank you! ☺️ I never thought about that and I’m definitely new to all this. I will do that from now on.
@kristinHenry Wow. That's super-helpful. Thank you for sharing.
@kristinHenry thank you for this! 🙌🙌
@kristinHenry Duly and studiously noted, and grateful to learn more about how to be better at this every day ...
@kristinHenry I will do my introduction again with the hashtags at the bottom. Thanks for sharing this!
@kristinHenry : oh my God this is a great answer to a question I was asking the other day ! Thank you so much for this !
https://mastodon.social/@ladyteruki/109336721874169920
@kristinHenry Wow, thank you for sharing that. I used to date a blind man, and as a result became very aware of the daily challenges he faced. This one is definitely something I can avoid doing to people using readers. Way back in the Internet dark ages, I was a mod in a MIRC chat room. It was a bunch of fanfic authors and readers socializing. We had a young girl visit us who was blind, and she used a reader. I had no idea such things existed!

@kristinHenry Thank you very much for pointing this out. I mistakenly thought it was more intelligible to use inline hashtags. I did not think about the fact that the reader would have to somehow indicate that it was a hashtag. I'll change this from now on. Frankly, I've learned more about accessibility from 10 days on Mastodon than from probably four years on twitter.

#Mastodon #Access

@kristinHenry good one! I'll keep my hashtags at the end now! #accessibility
@kristinHenry Thanks, what a great way of demonstrating how screen readers work, and i can't believe i hadn't considered it before! I too shall amend my ways after this
@kristinHenry thanks so much for pointing this out - noted!

@kristinHenry Not just about screenreaders! Seeing posts hashtagged like that just feels... weird, for some reason. I bet it feels Brandy™. Either way it's harder to read, a bit visually overwhelming, just like when people randomly sprinkle emoji everywhere (though not nearly as bad).

At the end is definitely nicer all around.

@kristinHenry Yeah it's better to organise well the message.

Although sometime I use the hashtag inside a phrase because it is a bit of a waste to repeat the word twice. Once in the phrase and once as a hashtag at the bottom. But it's no biggies to do it either indeed , to help the visually impaired.
Maybe the UI / code could also do it and have a visually impaired option that would transform the appearance like that automatically.

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One thing that could definitely be easily improved in the web UI is to have a different color for them too.

Currently they are exactly the same color than the rest of the text.

@kristinHenry or just mute hashtags in your Screenreader...
@kristinHenry Thanks for the tip Kristin💜
@kristinHenry if someone created a screenwriter that didn't do that - that pronounced # as a little cough or something - wouldn't it be phenomenally popular?
@bencurthoys @kristinHenry I was thinking exactly this. Maybe a sneezing hedgehog sound.
@siobhansarelle @kristinHenry I am obviously extremely hesitant to suggest tech-based solutions to social problems involving disability, and it's not my place to speak, but every time I hear "don't do X on the internet because screenreaders handle it in a stupid and annoying way" I can't help but think that that's less a problem with how people communicate online and more an easily fixable problem with screenreaders.
@siobhansarelle @kristinHenry Of course until I hear that screenreaders are fixed, I will avoid using hash tags in an annoying way.
@bencurthoys @kristinHenry it looks like this problem has been around a while. I wonder if the major screen reader developers are aware of it, I assume they are.
@bencurthoys @kristinHenry I think social problems are related to environment and structure. With the right architecture, structure, technology, I think some things people struggle with, and be made less of struggle, or even not a struggle at all. It is probably easier to fix the tech than change culture.
@kristinHenry It's so obvious when someone explains it. I'm really guilty of doing this because of the character limit in the other place. But that's not an issue here. Will try to remember.
@kristinHenry Okeydokey - noted. I shall do better!
@kristinHenry the job of software designers is to make software serve humans, not humans serve software. We should not be telling people to change the way they write, we should be telling the screenreader developers to push an update to their software. As a software designer who follows Neilsen principals of useability, this kind of stuff really makes me righteously angry for disabled users stuck with crap, unresponsive software tools.
@kristinHenry Note: capitalising hashtags is a different issue because that goes beyond the ability of software, and goes to genuine readability.
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Thanks for the tip. Seems like a feature I'd bully developers to change. There should be an option to disable reading "hashtag" all the time!
@kristinHenry why does it say "hashtag" and not "hash"?
@kristinHenry - argh I've been doing it wrong - but thank you

@kristinHenry This is very useful information. Thank you.

I wonder if the issue is a result of limiting characters in some sites? Because I tend to make the hashtags part of the main body of text, in order to save space.

Another way around this would be to develop a screen reader that doesn’t say the hashtag, but instead reads them and then says them at the end of the paragraph.

@kristinHenry Great idea, although I'm shockingly guilty of not doing that myself!

Time to look at my pinned post & bio!

#betterhashtags

@kristinHenry great tip! I'll keep it in mind! Do the screen readers have problems with any other types of punctuation marks or symbols?
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Thank you for pointing this out! I hadn't thought of it and have since gone back and fixed my intro post.
@kristinHenry A slight counter-point from someone that uses screen readers here worth considering for those checking in on the replies: https://pagan.plus/@Cassana/109339419023570010
Cassana (@[email protected])

Content warning: long post on accessibility advice from a blind screen reader user

Pagan+
@kristinHenry I made a video on the birdsite of VoiceOver reading out a tweet which had an emoji between every word. You could even feel VoiceOver losing the will to live after the first 15 words (and 15 emojis). Go gently with the emojis, too, lovely people.
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Awesome tip! I'll definitely be avoid that from now on.

@kristinHenry Great point and well made. Would it theoretically be possible to give people an accessibility setting in Mastodon to re-format posts to strip the main body of hashes and append them as a list at the bottom, as you suggest?

Might even be able to make that a browser plugin

@kristinHenry seems like a clear case that screenreaders should behave differently tbh.
@kristinHenry I did not know this! I will change my post formats. Thanks for sharing!

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A compelling argument to add a setting to the screenreader to turn off the reading of the hashtag instead of doubling up words.

The 500 limit common on instances (I've seen one with 2^16 !) is refreshing compared to #Twitter, but I've already typed posts that still use the whole allotment and reworded sentences to get into the limit.

@kristinHenry try reading a huge block with ‘hashtag’ added though. It’s not much better. Maybe just use fewer?