@DoomsdaysCW yes we all hope for c), but it is unrealistic, isn't it? Look at how much buzz and hype a single stranded #humpback whale in the #BalticSea causes now. People care about it. Media outlets are reporting about it all the time. A whale is concrete and real, it can be touched, you can comprehend it. #ClimateCrisis, #ClimateChange and #LimitsToGrowth are abstract and seem to be far away.

If people would care the same about issues that really matter as they care about the humpback whale, then we would have a real chance to avoid collapse. But this is not how the world works. In the end people care more about helping a whale survive than about helping their own species survive. Because this would mean building a sustainable post-capitalist economy. Or at least thinking about it.

There is a lot of hype about the stranded #humpback whale in the #BalticSea. Of course we all want him to survive. Yet if people would care the same about issues that really matter, then we would have a real chance to avoid collapse. People understand #ClimateChange, but it seems to be abstract & distant. They may understand the problem of #LimitsToGrowth but it seems to be far away as well. In the end people care more about helping a whale survive than about helping their own species survive.

I absolutely hate, hate, HATE how software environments are often called "ecosystems".
An ecosystem is a living organic structure on a living planet (more specifically, Earth, since we haven't found any other living planets yet), made from all kinds of organisms -- bacteria, archaea, fungi, all kinds of arthropods from tiny mites to big beetles and bumblebees, and far too few vertebrates nowadays because of the fucking Industrial Age. We've been ruining ecosystems at high speed ever since Columbus kickstarted colonialism, but then the steam engine came, constantly accelerating the growth our cancer of an economy, and after WW2 we started the afterburner. We've been destroying ecosystems at supersonic speed for eight decades, we can see them fall apart before our eyes. People have been seing the living world around them getting killed since the dirty old mills of the Black Country, and since the 1960s, a growing green movement all over the planet has been trying to stop the madness. And we aren't really very good at it, are we? This entire mess of a civilisation is running out of control, collapse has probably already begun, we're in ecological overshoot like Wile E. Coyote hanging in midair. Capitalism won't last much longer because it becomes dysfunctional when there isn't any real growth left, and we have not only reached the global growth limits, we have exceeded them, which means that the economy will eventually shrink by more than half, which isn't a recession or even a Second Great Depression, it is an utter collapse of the economy. If those of us who survive that can somehow built a sustainable type of economy from the leftovers, this industrial civilisation might not collapse completely just yet, entering a time of slow decline instead, and an entire new civilisation might grow in some other parts of the world, maybe in Africa, maybe in Asia, and spread across the world as the European type of civilisation slowly vanishes. Who knows? Right now, we need to learn how to survive in times of collapse. And the best way to do so is to learn how to do things properly which will still be relevant when there are no more computers or big factories or giant office buildings.

I am part of an ecosystem, as I am one of many, many animals who live in this landscape. And like other animals, I need to eat some of the organisms who live here in order to survive. I'm a huge threat to every individual potato or chicken, yet my presence leads to the presence of more potatoes and chickens, which is one of all my interactions with the ecosystem. I can't do anything without my actions having consequences for the ecosystem of which I am but a tiny part. Some people today are as afraid of the ongoing global climate catastrophe as they should be, but only very few realise that the biodiversity crisis aka the Sixth Extinction is far worse and far more frightening.

And some IT guys who know fucking zilch about ecology have the bloody audacity to call some software environment an "ecosystem". I find it very annoying. Fucking techbros should think more and talk less.

#biodiversitycrisis #extinction #sixthextinction #globalwarming #climatecrisis #biospheredecline #capitalism #economicgrowth #limitstogrowth #overshoot #collapse #πολυκρίσης #polykrisis #polycrisis #ecosystem

Love the reference to “Libertarians’ Wrongest Argument.” There's lots of competition for that honor. #LimitstoGrowth #DonellaMeadows #RomeStatute

RE: https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:ljmtczdet75julxrokr52zh2/post/3mhgqazg43s26

It is obvious that exponential growth can not go on unlimited in a limited system. There are #LimitsToGrowth in every finite system. So what will the future bring while the superrich hide in their bunkers (even they are unsure how, as Douglas Rushkoff describes in his book)? A..

a) societal collapse and we go extinct
b) societal collapse and we go back to pre-industrial middle ages
c) societal collapse and we create a sustainable post-capitalist economy

I don't know. What do you think? Can we avoid a collapse of a society which is based on exponential growth and exploitation of fossil fuels or is a collapse inevitable?
https://www.politybooks.com/bookdetail?book_slug=how-everything-can-collapse-a-manual-for-our-times--9781509541386

Our politicians constantly ask for new growth. #Growth means more jobs, more tax revenues and more money to spend. To enable more growth they make more debt. And to pay back the debt they need again more growth. An endless loop of demand for new debt and demand for new growth (to payback debt) emerges.

Until the loop hits one day the #LimitsToGrowth and reaches the point of #PeakOil. We tend to ignore that the resources of a finite world are limited. Authors like Peter Zeihan ("The End of the World Is Just the Beginning") or Pablo Servigne and Raphaël Stevens ("How Everything Can Collapse") have described what happens next: the whole system starts to #collapse.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_End_of_the_World_Is_Just_the_Beginning

The End of the World Is Just the Beginning - Wikipedia

Human #wellbeing on a #FinitePlanet towards 2100: new study shows humanity at a crossroads

A new paper by members of Earth4All’s scientific advisory team published today in Global Sustainability models two starkly different futures for humanity this century: one defined by escalating crises compounded by rising social tension, the other by a bold transformation towards wellbeing for all. The findings emphasise the importance of considering wellbeing and social cohesion when studying how planetary risks, inequality and social tensions interact.

4 July 2025

Excerpt: "Boost social cohesion and wellbeing for successful climate action

"A key innovation of the study is the introduction of two novel indices: social tension and wellbeing. This enabled the researchers to model not just the complex interactions between economic and #environmental factors in the two scenarios, but also include social feedback loops capturing trust, public investment, and political capacity. The modelling results suggests that rising #inequality and environmental degradation fuel social tensions, which in turn reduce governments’ capacity to implement the long-term policies needed to address existential risks linked to climate change and other planetary boundaries.

" 'By integrating a social tension index and a wellbeing index, we have been able to highlight the importance of social dynamics in climate scenarios,' explained co-author #NathalieSpittler of #BOKUUniversity. 'Achieving climate goals is not just a question of technological and economic developments. If wellbeing declines and social tensions rise, this creates a negative feedback loop where the very conditions needed for transformational change become harder to achieve.'

"Conversely, the study suggests that actions to reduce inequality and increase #SocialCohesion and wellbeing are key if governments want to implement policy shifts on #climate and other global issues."

Read more [includes link to the paper]:
https://earth4all.life/news/human-wellbeing-on-a-finite-planet-towards-2100-new-study-shows-humanity-at-a-crossroads/

#SolarPunkSunday #Earth4All #ClimateChange #BuildingCommunity #BuildResilience #GiantLeap #GiantLeapScenario #LtG #LimitsToGrowth #StabilizedWorld

Human wellbeing on a finite planet towards 2100: new study shows humanity at a crossroads - Earth4All

A new paper by members of Earth4All’s scientific advisory team published today in Global Sustainability models two starkly different futures for humanity this century

Earth4All
@Sheril Humanities, yes. Social science, of course. And do not forget #systemdynamics. You know Donella and Dennis Meadows, the #limitstogrowth, the Club of Rome and all that. We have been warned what is coming long ago. I believe the orange guy in the White House is only a symptom of a deeper problem. Capitalism has hit the limits to growth. Trump is the poor man's image of a rich guy, and deep down he knows it. Maybe one reason why he despises his MAGA crowd.

my direct question to the #systemsthinking community: if you had to redo world3, include the massive effects of social inequality, include big money & power, global, all encompassing #posttruth #misinformation campaigns corrupting the feedbacks - what would it look like?

#collapse #limitstogrowth

there were exactly 2 people in these circles that saw coming by a long shot what trump meant. one was heinberg, wrote a whole book about it, called "power". the other was regoczei, computing guy, he always said to me: fascism is a result of local #limitstogrowth #collapse. not the big thing, but the small, local injustices that wear down on everyday life in a crisis.

by now i think those two got the closest you could ever get to actually understanding what is happening right now and what happened with COVID.