The Big conversation Why it matters

Looking at our small community we must remember that it is God Who calls and for what we can offer in our community He takes what we have and makes it go further!

  • Church is the place to bring empty lives for God to fill.
  • Church is about meeting not just meetings!

In our previous postings we also pointed out that some people may have a wrong opinion about unity and expect all people in a community to say the same and to act the same. But “being one” doesn’t mean “being a clone”. God blesses unity! And we should have and should share our unity in Christ and unity with Christ. All being one in following the teachings of Christ, believing what he says and following up what he asked his followers to do. Not just following a church because it pleases us but because it follows the teachings of the son of God, Jesus Christ, and stays truthful to the Words of God, following God’s Will and willing to share His Gospel. Our union should be in the love for God which should be noticeable for outsiders, being a union of loving peopleloving Jehovah God and His son Christ Jesus, Jeshua the Messiah, as lovers of the truth, sharing this love and Good News and spreading unselfish, mutual, unconditional Agape brotherly love and love for all creation under the Covenant of love as beloved disciples and as Bible lovers making a circle of love under the Royal Law of love.

Having different people coming together there should be allowance for every one to have their say. All gathered should have respect for all present and give them the opportunity to share their ideas. Being together it also must be an occasion where public confession, based on a word from God, can take place. This may demand courage to stand up and declare truth, but in a real church of God this should not be a problem because that has to be a place of sharing the love of Christ and working at getting the love of God.

Spending time together to study the Word of God, must do something to those present. Change is inevitable…

except from a vending machine

said Arne Roberts, on October the tenth, at the Big Conversation. For him it is clear what is going to happen to other Bible Students which all came form the same source.

Here’s what will happen to Jehovah’s Witnesses: They will become increasingly like the religious group that influenced Charles Russell: The Christadelphians

The Christadelphians were once an outspoken, vibrant, edgy “Christian” group who spread their urgent end-times message far and wide. They grew exponentially in the latter half of the nineteenth century, but their heyday is long past. For several decades now they resemble a heavy rusty old steam locomotive that is running out of speed as it lumbers along ill-kept tracks, but still tries to muster the motion needed to take on steep mountain slopes.

The Christadelphians ooze sad irrelevance and faded glory of times well passed. They are an old people’s religion – old people who don’t have the self- and other-awareness to see that they are clinging to a dead dream. The Christadelphians have long since passed their used-by date and the only ones who still ‘practice’ this religion are older individuals who cannot muster the strength to look out their windows at the real world passing them by.

This is the future of Jehovah’s Witnesses, who will not go out with a bang, but who will slowly whimper to an ever slower crawl as the decades pass and the world, in its infinite fascination with religious novelty, will fix its distractable attention on to other more modern belief systems.

For Arne Roberts that is not the end. He asks us to keep in mind that we are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone.

We as followers of Christ should make sure that the Clarion of the Torah may sound. We hearing the sound loudly should make sure that there might be a stimulant for others in our community to become co-workers, helping each other, not working against each other, or not considering each other rivals. As individual beings, planets or stars, we may be totally different, but together we are one part of the universe, just some small elements in the creation of God.

Our very tiny community at a Breaking of Bread gathering at our regular meeting place, the service centre in Heverlee, Leuven.

When people just not come to join others because they are part of a small community than that community shall never have any chance of growing. When people keep waiting before willing to join a small community because it does not attract them for it is so small that they shall be noticed, we do have to convince them that they should not hide themselves behind the numbers. It is true that when there is a small church people will be noticed. In a mega church nobody shall notice it when you come in later, slip out earlier, shall fall asleep or shall not be attentional. When we encounter such doubting people who are afraid to join a small church we can ask them

How long to wait before bringing religiousness and spirituality in practice

It is up to us that God is in our life and that we want to share it with them. They should not be afraid to feel having a naked identity it such a small group, because as followers of Christ Jesus we have abandoned our sinful ‘I’ and actually have taken an other identity, no identity of our own apart from our union with Christ. Not that we have no unique personality or value or purpose, but that Christ defines our new life. It is that inseparable connection within Christ as a believer, which unites us and in the love of Christ we found the love for each other and have to show the world that we want to share that love. When we fail to see our true existence in Christ and fail to find our life and, thus, seek it outside of Christ we shall become victim of our own vain pursuit that only leads to frustration and angst in our God-thirsty soul.

We must understand that whatever happens the majority of people will not want to take the divine Creator as their God and lots of people shall prefer to be part of the contemporary world, belonging to it, being in it, and enjoying a worldly philosophy, inventions of men designed to rob you of your inheritance (Col.2:8-10) and as such shall not be so much attracted to the Christadelphian world, which demands a change in their attitude. The friendship with the world is for most people much more important than the friendship with God loving people. Most shall prefer to stay in the Godless world having not to wonder about their own responsibilities.

It is up to the lovers of God to show the others the light of the world and that no one should worry to much about living in this world. When people could come to know that New world better they might think twice and be prepared easier to leave the Old world for what it is, looking forward to a better and perfect world. We understand it is not easy for man to get away with the worldly traditions, so this shall always be some of the obstacles to join or to stay in our community. But people should not be afraid that they cannot take part in worldly events in a Godless world.  Christadelphians for sure also can enjoy worldly life, having enough time fore worldly pleasures, and not to become frustrated under the yoke of the world.

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Preceding articles:

Counting sands and stars

The Big conversation

The Big conversation follow up

Reasons why you may not miss the opportunity to go to a Small Church

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Additional reading

  • A call easy to understand
  • Jehovah steep rock and fortress, source of insight
  • How long to wait before bringing religiousness and spirituality in practice
  • Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love
  • He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him.
  • Many forgot how Christ should be our anchor and our focus
  • The business of this life
  • Church sent into the world
  • Work with joy and pray with love
  • Love for each other attracting others
  • How do you keep people from stealing your joy?
  • Love is like playing the piano
  • Creator and Blogger God 9 A Blog of a Book 3 Blog about Prophecy
  • Not all christians are followers of a Greco-Roman culture
  • Misunderstandings concerning C.T. Russell
  • Looking at older articles series over Russell on the previous Bible-scholar Association
  • Was Russell and Rutherford “Illuminati”?
  • Charles Taze Russell and what he started
  • Jesse Hemery and the The Goshen Fellowship
  • To remove the whitewash of the Jehovah Witnesses as being the only true Bible Students and Bible Researchers
  • Using the name Jehovah but not a witness of that name
  • Different approach in organisation of services #1
  • Different approach in organisation of services #2
  • Different approach in organisation of services #3
  • A man from the North wanting to have control in Belgium
  • Priority to form a loving brotherhood
  • Commitment to Christian unity
  • Parts of the body of Christ
  • Dissolution of Bijbelvorsers (Bible scholars), Association for Bible study
  • Two new encyclopaedic articles
  • Who are the Christadelphians
  • What are Brothers in Christ
  • Discipleship way of life on the narrow way to everlasting life
  • Christadelphian people
  • Christadelphians or Messianic Christians or Messianic Jews
  • About the Belgian Free Christadelphians
  • What Christadelphians teach
  • Small churches of the few Christadelphians
  • Priority to form a loving brotherhood
  • 19° Century London Christadelphians
  • Breathing and growing with no heir
  • Preaching to an unbelieving world
  • Commitment to Christian unity
  •  Parts of the body of Christ
  • What part of the Body am I?
  • The Church, Body of Christ and remnant Israel synonymous
  • United people under Christ
  • Fellowship
  • The Ecclesia
  • The Ecclesia in the churchsystem
  • The ecclesia or Christadelphian church
  • Our relationship with God, Jesus and each other
  • Our ecclesia or Christadelphian-church
  • Intentions of an Ecclesia
  • An ecclesia in your neighbourhood
  • Communion and day of worship
  • Christadelphians today
  • Small churches of the few Christadelphians
  • Harvest in Belgium
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    Further readings:

  • I Once Was Blind but Now I See
  • Day 28: Where Are They?
  • Day 28: Where Are They?
  • Cornerstones
  • Narcissist Case Studies – How We Know The Pharisees Were Narcissists, Part 2
  • Jesus The Cornerstone Of The Church
  • Hey You, Cornterstone! (Who???….me?) Yeah, You!
  • God Is Not Human
  • Where to Draw the Line: Culture vs Religion
  • The Cornerstone: The Response of the Church in Violent Times
  • Gospel Doctrine 2015 – Lesson 39 – “For the Perfecting of the Saints”
  • Finding Joy in the Little Things
  • Word Wednesday: Jesus Our Cornerstone
  • The Cornerstone of Your Life
  • Cornerstone
  • Walking With Intentionality
  • What is God’s Will For Your Life?
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    Counting sands and stars

    Sandy beach

    Those who go up in the mountains or just go out in the fields, now in Summer, may sit there at night and count the stars. Though both the stars in the sky and the particles of sand we may find on the beach are too numerous to count. However, there is a gigantic difference between the two.

    Sand: a naturally occurring granular material composed of finely divided rock and mineral particles. – Sand dunes in the Idehan Ubari, Libya.

    Grains of sand are tightly pressed and compacted one against the other to form a beach. Each star, on the other hand, is a world in itself. It can be separated from its nearest neighbour by trillions of miles.

    Moses tells God that the Jewish nation is too burdensome for him to carry alone. Why? Because they are comparable to the profusion of stars.

    Jehovah, the God of the believers used as slaves in Egypt were  multiplied by the Most High and had become like the stars of the heaven in number. (Deuteronomy 1:10)

    Deu 1:10-12 RNKJV  YHWH your Elohim hath multiplied you, and, behold, ye are this day as the stars of heaven for multitude.  (11)  (YHWH Elohim of your fathers make you a thousand times so many more as ye are, and bless you, as he hath promised you!)  (12)  How can I myself alone bear your cumbrance, and your burden, and your strife?

    For Moses there was a burden so heavy as to produce weariness not because they were with many, but more because there was so much division between them. For Moses there may have been a similar problem as what we see today. We can find many people who say they love God, but look at that God in different ways and have different ways to serve Him. Some their worship is not liked by others because it goes against the rules made by God Himself.

    In Christendom we may see several ‘planets’ or ‘stars’, find a massive quantity like Moses found one that he could not alone lead them. He wasn’t overwhelmed by the number of people. Rather, the  problem was qualitative.

    Moses implied that if the Jews were spiritually and emotionally unified – were proximate to each other, like sand – their large population would not require arduous leadership.

    However, when there is a nation of people, each a star in his own right and alienated from others around him, leading them becomes nightmarish.

    Jonathan Hughes, rabbi of Richmond United Synagogue calls unto his co-believers saying

    As this mournful time of the Jewish year approaches in the run-up to Tisha B’Av, we need to be reminded of the Jewish togetherness that must be etched into our hearts.

    One of the reasons we lost the Temple in Jerusa-lem is baseless hatred. Essentially, everyone was a ‘star’ in his own right, all the people light years away from each other.

    The Torah’s clarion call is, as the Beatles would say, ‘come together’.

    Indeed, the rabbis teach that every Jewish soul contains elements of every other Jewish soul that has been, is, or will be on this planet. We are one unit.

    Also for our Christian community we should think about that problem of unity and remember that, our success will hinge on how connected we feel to each other. Every Christian soul (a living being) should carry in him the link to the master teacher Jeshua and as such also should contain elements of every other Christian soul.

    A few months ago we already spoke about the problems of co-operating in Belgium of the different Christadelphian groups. We also had to lick our wounds of the 2013-2014 season. Such a small community, but like all other Christian communities, we did and do find human beings not able to work with each other or being afraid others would runaway with people from their group or would  gain more attendance. But we should not be worrying about loosing members, but should worry about getting people closer to God.

    It is also not the matter of being a star ourselves, being a gifted or highly celebrated person in the church to whom everybody looks up to, or having all the power. The power belongs to God. It’s about beginning a de-starification process and the forging of sand-like bonds of genuine fraternity. We are taking on the name of being “Brethren in Christ” and as such should be as brothers and sisters be associated for the common purpose or interest, such as to be united in Christ.

    Deu 11:13-17 RNKJV  And it shall come to pass, if ye shall hearken diligently unto my commandments which I command you this day, to love YHWH your Elohim, and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul,  (14)  That I will give you the rain of your land in his due season, the first rain and the latter rain, that thou mayest gather in thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil.  (15)  And I will send grass in thy fields for thy cattle, that thou mayest eat and be full.  (16)  Take heed to yourselves, that your heart be not deceived, and ye turn aside, and serve other elohim, and worship them;  (17)  And then YHWH’s wrath be kindled against you, and he shut up the heaven, that there be no rain, and that the land yield not her fruit; and lest ye perish quickly from off the good land which YHWH giveth you.

    Israel was called to remain faithful to Jehovah, and we as those who are called by Christ Jesus are now also part of that Israel also should be faithful to Him and should not make ourselves other gods or other idols we prefer following instead of the Most High. Jeshua is the cornerstone given by God the Almighty. Though certain people may want to be mighty and do want to have more power than others, we should give ourselves to Christ and be united under him, working all together, working the soil, for the One God. some may expect certain rewards by following certain man but it will be God Who will abundantly bless the people with tokens of His goodness.  A person rendering service to God with all his soul, would become an acceptable “living sacrifice” unto Him).

    Rom 12:1 RNKJV  I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of YHWH, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto YHWH, which is your reasonable service.

    It is  by the mercies of God, to present our bodies a living sacrifice, holy, well-pleasing to God, which is our spiritual worship and a service which we are willing to share with one another, not conformed to the fashion of this world, but being transformed by the renewal of our mind, that we may learn by experience what is the will of God, what is good, and wellpleasing, and perfect (Romans 12:2).

    There is the appeal for us to become co-workers, helping each other, not working against each other, or not considering each other rivals. As individual beings, planets or stars, we may be totally different, but together we are one part of the universe, just some small elements in the creation of God.

    In that universe, on this globe, living in this world, we should not be part of this world but should be in unity with Christ, all going for Christ. This going for Christ demands following his instructions to go out in this world, preaching the Good News of the coming Kingdom of God. We should try to enlighten others and to take the yoke from their shoudlers by helping them to find the right path to God.

    First of all we should first accept upon ourselves the yoke of heaven’s sovereignty, and afterwards accept upon ourselves the yoke of the commandments. Ceaseless we should strive to humbly accept God’s sovereignty. All that we do each day is then guided by the commitment made before at the end of the day.

    Soon having a new academic year, starting a new working season, we should take the sparkles of the Summer-months with us and bring the light of the stars into the ecclesia. Without the internal core the star cannot be bright, so we too do have to have a good core. Our nucleus should have a firm duramen full of bright fire of faith. The pith of our faith should be the Biblical knowledge and our thorough frequent Bible reading and sharing this faith and Bible knowledge with each other.

    We look forward to find more writers willing to write for our lifestyle magazines and bringing some interesting exhortations, which shall be able to inspire us to go further in space to go out of the darkness and see more light by even more stars which were first hidden.

    We do hope we can get some more people to come to read some of our Christadelphian thoughts, to come to our meetings, showing them some more light on dark paths, showing the way unto the path into the stars

    As Moses had to guide his people we also have to find guides to help us to recognise the most truthful Guide, the Bible. As brothers and sisters we should be standing ready  to pick up a star, to find something in which we are good and by which we can help others. Each of us has received some talents and those talents we should use for the best. Do not waste those talents, but use them to bring people closer to God.

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    Preceding posting:

    Belgian Christadelphians 2013 & 2014 in review

    A man from the North wanting to have control in Belgium

    Delay in publications because attack from outside

    Preparation for unity

    Trusting, Faith, Calling and Ascribing to Jehovah #14 Prayer #12 The other name

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    Additional reading:

  • Broeders in Christus 2013 & 2014 in review
  • The Presence of God
  • Hubble Peers into the Most Crowded Place in the Milky Way
  • Reflect on how much idolizing happens
  • Looking on what is going on and not being of it
  • Marriage of Jesus 10 Old and New Covenant
  • Preparation for unity
  • First month of the year and predictions
  • Days of Nisan, Pesach, Pasach, Pascha and Easter
  • Festival of Freedom and persecutions
  • 14 Nisan a day to remember #1 Inception
  • 14 Nisan a day to remember #5 The Day to celebrate
  • Certain people trying to stem freedom of speech
  • No reconciliation possible
  • Priority to form a loving brotherhood
  • Not words of any organisation should bind you, but the Word of God
  • Disciple of Christ counting lives and friends dear to them
  • Born to Shine not to fear!
  • All I want is peace!!!
  • See God’s wonderworks and hear His Voice
  • Looking for a shepherd for the sheep and goats
  • Joining for a new year in the assurance to be bought with a price
  • Different approach in organisation of services #3
  • My blogs 2014 in review
  • Dissolution of Bijbelvorsers (Bible scholars), Association for Bible study
  • A new voice calling for peace
  • Welcome to “From guestwriters”
  • Guestwriters for you
  • Stepping Toes 2014 in review
  • Do you have a writer or presenter in you?
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