The Big conversation Why it matters

Looking at our small community we must remember that it is God Who calls and for what we can offer in our community He takes what we have and makes it go further!

  • Church is the place to bring empty lives for God to fill.
  • Church is about meeting not just meetings!

In our previous postings we also pointed out that some people may have a wrong opinion about unity and expect all people in a community to say the same and to act the same. But “being one” doesn’t mean “being a clone”. God blesses unity! And we should have and should share our unity in Christ and unity with Christ. All being one in following the teachings of Christ, believing what he says and following up what he asked his followers to do. Not just following a church because it pleases us but because it follows the teachings of the son of God, Jesus Christ, and stays truthful to the Words of God, following God’s Will and willing to share His Gospel. Our union should be in the love for God which should be noticeable for outsiders, being a union of loving peopleloving Jehovah God and His son Christ Jesus, Jeshua the Messiah, as lovers of the truth, sharing this love and Good News and spreading unselfish, mutual, unconditional Agape brotherly love and love for all creation under the Covenant of love as beloved disciples and as Bible lovers making a circle of love under the Royal Law of love.

Having different people coming together there should be allowance for every one to have their say. All gathered should have respect for all present and give them the opportunity to share their ideas. Being together it also must be an occasion where public confession, based on a word from God, can take place. This may demand courage to stand up and declare truth, but in a real church of God this should not be a problem because that has to be a place of sharing the love of Christ and working at getting the love of God.

Spending time together to study the Word of God, must do something to those present. Change is inevitable…

except from a vending machine

said Arne Roberts, on October the tenth, at the Big Conversation. For him it is clear what is going to happen to other Bible Students which all came form the same source.

Here’s what will happen to Jehovah’s Witnesses: They will become increasingly like the religious group that influenced Charles Russell: The Christadelphians

The Christadelphians were once an outspoken, vibrant, edgy “Christian” group who spread their urgent end-times message far and wide. They grew exponentially in the latter half of the nineteenth century, but their heyday is long past. For several decades now they resemble a heavy rusty old steam locomotive that is running out of speed as it lumbers along ill-kept tracks, but still tries to muster the motion needed to take on steep mountain slopes.

The Christadelphians ooze sad irrelevance and faded glory of times well passed. They are an old people’s religion – old people who don’t have the self- and other-awareness to see that they are clinging to a dead dream. The Christadelphians have long since passed their used-by date and the only ones who still ‘practice’ this religion are older individuals who cannot muster the strength to look out their windows at the real world passing them by.

This is the future of Jehovah’s Witnesses, who will not go out with a bang, but who will slowly whimper to an ever slower crawl as the decades pass and the world, in its infinite fascination with religious novelty, will fix its distractable attention on to other more modern belief systems.

For Arne Roberts that is not the end. He asks us to keep in mind that we are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone.

We as followers of Christ should make sure that the Clarion of the Torah may sound. We hearing the sound loudly should make sure that there might be a stimulant for others in our community to become co-workers, helping each other, not working against each other, or not considering each other rivals. As individual beings, planets or stars, we may be totally different, but together we are one part of the universe, just some small elements in the creation of God.

Our very tiny community at a Breaking of Bread gathering at our regular meeting place, the service centre in Heverlee, Leuven.

When people just not come to join others because they are part of a small community than that community shall never have any chance of growing. When people keep waiting before willing to join a small community because it does not attract them for it is so small that they shall be noticed, we do have to convince them that they should not hide themselves behind the numbers. It is true that when there is a small church people will be noticed. In a mega church nobody shall notice it when you come in later, slip out earlier, shall fall asleep or shall not be attentional. When we encounter such doubting people who are afraid to join a small church we can ask them

How long to wait before bringing religiousness and spirituality in practice

It is up to us that God is in our life and that we want to share it with them. They should not be afraid to feel having a naked identity it such a small group, because as followers of Christ Jesus we have abandoned our sinful ‘I’ and actually have taken an other identity, no identity of our own apart from our union with Christ. Not that we have no unique personality or value or purpose, but that Christ defines our new life. It is that inseparable connection within Christ as a believer, which unites us and in the love of Christ we found the love for each other and have to show the world that we want to share that love. When we fail to see our true existence in Christ and fail to find our life and, thus, seek it outside of Christ we shall become victim of our own vain pursuit that only leads to frustration and angst in our God-thirsty soul.

We must understand that whatever happens the majority of people will not want to take the divine Creator as their God and lots of people shall prefer to be part of the contemporary world, belonging to it, being in it, and enjoying a worldly philosophy, inventions of men designed to rob you of your inheritance (Col.2:8-10) and as such shall not be so much attracted to the Christadelphian world, which demands a change in their attitude. The friendship with the world is for most people much more important than the friendship with God loving people. Most shall prefer to stay in the Godless world having not to wonder about their own responsibilities.

It is up to the lovers of God to show the others the light of the world and that no one should worry to much about living in this world. When people could come to know that New world better they might think twice and be prepared easier to leave the Old world for what it is, looking forward to a better and perfect world. We understand it is not easy for man to get away with the worldly traditions, so this shall always be some of the obstacles to join or to stay in our community. But people should not be afraid that they cannot take part in worldly events in a Godless world.  Christadelphians for sure also can enjoy worldly life, having enough time fore worldly pleasures, and not to become frustrated under the yoke of the world.

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Preceding articles:

Counting sands and stars

The Big conversation

The Big conversation follow up

Reasons why you may not miss the opportunity to go to a Small Church

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Additional reading

  • A call easy to understand
  • Jehovah steep rock and fortress, source of insight
  • How long to wait before bringing religiousness and spirituality in practice
  • Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love
  • He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him.
  • Many forgot how Christ should be our anchor and our focus
  • The business of this life
  • Church sent into the world
  • Work with joy and pray with love
  • Love for each other attracting others
  • How do you keep people from stealing your joy?
  • Love is like playing the piano
  • Creator and Blogger God 9 A Blog of a Book 3 Blog about Prophecy
  • Not all christians are followers of a Greco-Roman culture
  • Misunderstandings concerning C.T. Russell
  • Looking at older articles series over Russell on the previous Bible-scholar Association
  • Was Russell and Rutherford “Illuminati”?
  • Charles Taze Russell and what he started
  • Jesse Hemery and the The Goshen Fellowship
  • To remove the whitewash of the Jehovah Witnesses as being the only true Bible Students and Bible Researchers
  • Using the name Jehovah but not a witness of that name
  • Different approach in organisation of services #1
  • Different approach in organisation of services #2
  • Different approach in organisation of services #3
  • A man from the North wanting to have control in Belgium
  • Priority to form a loving brotherhood
  • Commitment to Christian unity
  • Parts of the body of Christ
  • Dissolution of Bijbelvorsers (Bible scholars), Association for Bible study
  • Two new encyclopaedic articles
  • Who are the Christadelphians
  • What are Brothers in Christ
  • Discipleship way of life on the narrow way to everlasting life
  • Christadelphian people
  • Christadelphians or Messianic Christians or Messianic Jews
  • About the Belgian Free Christadelphians
  • What Christadelphians teach
  • Small churches of the few Christadelphians
  • Priority to form a loving brotherhood
  • 19° Century London Christadelphians
  • Breathing and growing with no heir
  • Preaching to an unbelieving world
  • Commitment to Christian unity
  •  Parts of the body of Christ
  • What part of the Body am I?
  • The Church, Body of Christ and remnant Israel synonymous
  • United people under Christ
  • Fellowship
  • The Ecclesia
  • The Ecclesia in the churchsystem
  • The ecclesia or Christadelphian church
  • Our relationship with God, Jesus and each other
  • Our ecclesia or Christadelphian-church
  • Intentions of an Ecclesia
  • An ecclesia in your neighbourhood
  • Communion and day of worship
  • Christadelphians today
  • Small churches of the few Christadelphians
  • Harvest in Belgium
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    Further readings:

  • I Once Was Blind but Now I See
  • Day 28: Where Are They?
  • Day 28: Where Are They?
  • Cornerstones
  • Narcissist Case Studies – How We Know The Pharisees Were Narcissists, Part 2
  • Jesus The Cornerstone Of The Church
  • Hey You, Cornterstone! (Who???….me?) Yeah, You!
  • God Is Not Human
  • Where to Draw the Line: Culture vs Religion
  • The Cornerstone: The Response of the Church in Violent Times
  • Gospel Doctrine 2015 – Lesson 39 – “For the Perfecting of the Saints”
  • Finding Joy in the Little Things
  • Word Wednesday: Jesus Our Cornerstone
  • The Cornerstone of Your Life
  • Cornerstone
  • Walking With Intentionality
  • What is God’s Will For Your Life?
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    Those who love Jesus

    In Evangelisation, local preaching opposite overseas evangelism we looked at a specific blog where the Christadelphians where accused of not loving Jesus. The blog mentioned is not the only one which tries to blacken the Christadelphian community and let her readers to believe that we would not love Jesus. In the discussion of the blog Honor «god» and Queen of Heaven you might find their reasoning. So often we get people complaining to us that we are not following God’s Word and that we are blasphemous and hate Jesus because we do not take him to be God. Having so many times to defend our Christadelphian faith and to proof to people that it well can be that we do love Jesus even much more than they do, that we decided to open some platform where we specifically go deeper into that subject of loving Jesus and following Jesus.

    C4U: Christ For You & Christadelphians For You, started on 7 February 2015

    On 2015, February the 7th, C4U a Wix.com website was created to tell the world that we have Christ for us and that the Christadelphians are willing to show the world why it is so important to have Christ for us.

    We want to show the importance the Christadelphians put on Bible reading and following what is written and advised in the Bible. It is not just o.k. to read it now and then, but when we do love God, we should want to read the Book of books, with His infallible Word in it, regularly. When we do love God we would also listen very carefully to His Voice which resounds throughout the 66 books of the Canonic Bible.

    From the beginning of that compilation of books, we are told about creation, what has happened to it and what is going to happen in the future. We can also see that there is put a lot of focus on one particular man, who was already promised in the Garden of Eden, many years later to several people who wanted to listen to the different prophets God had chosen to represent Him. The prophet Isaiah gave a light of the future world and with him many pointed out to a saviour to come. Like the astrologers who came to visit the newborn in Bethlehem, everybody could come to the same conclusion as they when they would listen attentively to the Word of God, given to all in the Book of books, the Bible.

    The prophet born in Bethlehem, who came to live with his parents in Nazareth and later in life started a public life, which did not last long, because people had sought to kill him, is the one we want to put our focus on.

    All for Christ, a website started in 2015, February 8, to show people the reason of the importance of Christ Jesus for us all, and how we all should come to follow him, who is the Way to Jehovah God

    Also “All for Christ” wants to look at this spectacular man, who had not such special looks or was not so rich, but was special because of his way how he could cope with people and how he could explain the Words of God.

    Both new websites want to focus on Jesus Christ and bring the reasons forward why this man of flesh and blood is so special for humankind.

    At the same time they want to show that it are perhaps those, who really want to believe what is written in the Bible, about that man and who want to stick to those words instead of following human doctrines, who are the real lovers of Christ.
    Those who cannot accept that it ever would be possible that a man could follow God’s commandments do not have trust in the Maker of man, because than He would have created a being impossible to follow His wishes, and as such have created from the start an imperfect being and having demanded straight ahead too much. Not only do they injustice to the maker of man. They also do totally injustice to Jesus, because they consider him impossible to be a man of flesh and blood not capable to do the Will of God, but as God he could naturally do that Will of God, because then he would be that God Himself doing His own Will. They also forget that they, making Jesus into God, make of him a liar, because God knows everything, though Jesus said he did not know when he would come back, did not know when the end-times would take place and did not know who would be seated next to him. In case he is God, he would not have told the truth because God knows everything. But it makes Scriptures even more untrustable, because in it is told that God can not be seen or man would fall dead, that God can not be tempted, that God is an eternal Spirit (meaning he cannot die) Who does not tell lies. Though we are told Jesus was born (had a beginning) and was seen by many. We are also told that Jesus was tempted more than once. Worst of all is that in the New Testament is said Jesus died and after he was taken out of the dead, having been three days in hell, he showed to his disciples his wounds and confirmed to them that he was not a spirit (this would once more be a contradiction then in the Scriptures).

    With the new websites we want to show people who Christ Jesus really was and is, and how he has been made higher than before (having been lower than angels, though God was, is and always shall be the Most High), now seated next to Jehovah God to be the one mediator between man and God.

    Both sites want to show the world what Christ has done for us all and why he earns the glory. they shall bring forward how important it is to recognise what Jesus really did, giving his life for all mankind, offering himself as a lamb and a ransom for God.

    Everybody should know that those who love Jesus most are those who believe what Jesus himself said and are willing to follow up everything Jesus asked.

    Christadelphians are Brothers and Sisters in Christ not only willing to be part of the Body of Christ passively, but taking up the task Jesus has given seriously, going out in the world proclaiming the Good News of the coming Kingdom of God.

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    Find the new websites:

    All for Christ

    C4U

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