The Big Conversation – Christadelphians in the United Kingdom

In the United Kingdom people may find several villages and towns where there reside Christadelphians,  a body of Christians who try to base their beliefs and practices wholly on the Bible, which they regard as God’s word. They try therefore to rid themselves of the various ideas and rituals which have attached themselves to Christendom over the last 2,000 years and to return to the beliefs and practices of the first century apostles.

Being a group of people who want to follow the Nazarene Jew Jeshua, who did not want to do his own will, but always did the Will of his heavenly Father, they as the man born in Bethlehem, are living in this world but not wanting to be of this world following human traditions and human dogmas. That does not make them so popular, because people may look strange at those people who do not want to celebrate Halloween and other pagan festivities.

Because the Christadelphians are a community without the trappings of elaborate buildings, priests or icons, their institutions and fellowship-rooms not be seen straight away. The outer sights are not important for the Christadelphians who prefer to give honour to God and show a deep respect for God’s word and love to have a strong sense of family and fellowship.

On the above map you can see some of the more than 300 ecclesiae in Great Britain and Ireland. They were taken under the loop by brother Jon Downes who on the 10th of October asked

What is happening?

For him the present size & growth or non-growth of UK ecclesiae show there isn’t a, ‘No Change’ option

It’s not that we aren’t trying!

he said to about 350 Christadelphians present at Dudley college.

In this world of figures, comparisons and evaluations it is all about numbers in graphics which have to show an up-going trend and reach high peaks. this for sure can not be said about our very small community. Lots of people may think when it is not big it has no value and can not be good. But people should look at the intrinsic value and to see what a group or church is believing, following up, and how they keep to what they preach. It is true that minorities do not exert influence, and that they should have to contend on the culture or the systems around it.

Christadelphians do not fall in the temptation to pretend to be a majority, even if one is not. They do know they are just a little grain of sand in our religious world. But that does not mean that many more little grains can be put together with water and with clay form a nice vase. Though sometimes it can look like we are coming to sit more in an urn. Especially in Belgium we are in distress and can do with some support form abroad. Though looking at other countries can show us also how important it is to make more work of the announcing or making known of our society.

All over the world people may not forget that the church of Jesus Christ is never a majority, in any fallen culture, even if we happen to outnumber every[one] else around us. They should come to see that the real church of God is the church of Christ were people are willing to follow Jesus his words, his teachings, but also his manners and his aspirations. It is a place where people are willing to share the agapè love of Christ, who was even willing to give his life for others, even for those who turned against him. Would we do that?

Where Christian churches have held fast to the truth that the Holy Scriptures have been given by God as an authoritative and infallible rule of faith and practice, they have never wandered very seriously out of the right way. But when, on the other hand, reason has been exalted above revelation, and made the the exponent of revelation, all kinds of errors and mischiefs have been the result, and got many sorts of denominations which have lots of rituals people may like very much but which are not according to God’s Law. And that part is the most important in our building community. We should all try to live according God’s Law and love His Words more than the words of man.

Unfortunately, lots of Christians do not closely follow the Bible today and prefer to join churches in which they can keep up their human traditions. They have changed things to how they want them to be.
Since the times of Jesus, there have been small groups of people who believed what the Bible said. Many of these people were cruelly treated in times past as a result of their beliefs. Such believers united in the North of America when in 1864 broke out the Civil War. Dr. Thomas thought up the word “Christadelphian“, a name combining the name “Christ” with the Greek word “adelphi” meaning “brother”. So the name “Christadelphian” means “brothers and sisters in Christ“.

Christadelphians are grateful to John Thomas for his efforts in searching out the message of the Bible. John Thomas was not a prophet or someone special. He read the Bible, just as we try to do. Christadelphians follow Jesus Christ, not John Thomas. Not following just one man or just one human organisation gives that we may have different ideas about certain things, but that doe snot mean we would not have union with each other, though we must agree that there are certain Christadelphian groups who shamefully do not want to have contact with other Christadelphians.  According to the Belgian Free Christadelphians this is also part of the reasons why it is so difficult to show the world a bigger group of religious people under one name: Christadelphians.

Being joined together by our common faith in the Bible, and the way we live, we all should try to meet each other and have contact with each other as loving siblings. All being brothers and sisters in Christ. Though each “ecclesia” has to look after its own affairs, and choose members who determine arrangements and organise activities on behalf of their members they should feel that unity with Christ with other Christadelphians world wide and show the outside world that Jesus Christ is their head of each ecclesia.

Living in this world we do agree that “It’s not about the numbers” … …but the “numbers tell a story”. And those numbers in west Europe may be alarming. Therefore there was the call to come thereto in the UK to discuss that matter of dwindling ciphers.

Like any other western capitalist country in the UK Bible ownership and Bible knowledge has slumped, some english people also do find it a form of indoctrination when parents in their home pray and talk about God in front of their children of that child.

Jon Downes presented the anxious members a snapshot of our society in the UK.

and showed those present how a typical ecclesia looks like.

When we look at the adult baptisms in our community from related people (3,5) and from non related
(1.0) plus counting the (0.5) refellowshipping members, comparing them with the average of 10 people falling asleep and 2 people leaving the fellowship, we might say that such numbers bring the graphic line downwards.

What might happen to the Christadelphian community in the United Kingdom when they do not something to change the coarse.

happened.

Therefore lets look at the United Kingdom as an example.

what might this give to that community, where we find, like everywhere in the world members becoming older and dying, whilst the world is getting less interested in God and commandment.

In case we can bring the Gospel of the Good News to many more ears, we should be able by a co-effort of preaching to increase the interest in God again and get again some people interested in joining a community of lovers of Christ and lovers of God.

We must see that

The lost are our hope

and that there is good reason to try to reach the lost. We as brothers and sisters in Christ should love the people in the world so much that we will be offering some of our spare time for preaching work.

We are the hope of the lost

Luckily it is not all ad  or sad news.

Good News!

tells brother Downes is that we can look at

  • 120 baptisms a year (4 average sized ecclesias)
  • In the last 40 years, 39 new ecclesias. (Although 96 have closed & some were renamed).
  • In the last 15 years,1/4 of all baptisms from non Christadelphian backgrounds were by just 16 ecclesias. (Although 1/3 didn’t baptise any)
  • While many ecclesias are shrinking many are growing.
  • Numbers in Africa are growing!
  • Bible Learning Centres & Learning English are having a big impact

Instead of going for Plan A is it not better that we go for Plan B?

Plan A discussed at the Big Conversation of 2015 October 10 at Dudley college, UK
  • Current UK Christadelphian population of 8-8500 is based on 223 2015 ALS Diary returns on households & 178 2015 CCH survey returns. 10 Ecclesias had neither return and were estimated on previous diary returns.
  • 1985 to 2015 data based on records kept from the back of the Christadelphian, clearly subject to some error, gaps and misreporting. The last 12 months of Magazine entries were analysed separately and yielded results consistent with the records obtained.
  • Net loss of 120 per annum and the 10, 5, 1 ratio derived from average of last 10 years data. Approx 240 out and 120 in. These do not include brothers and sisters movement in and out of the UK.
  • Forecast from 2015 based on a linear continuation which could easily be a) more dramatic because of rapid closure of small ecclesias, ageing population, reduced home pool to draw from, fewer people to witness, higher rates of leaving the community b) less dramatic as in a smaller community there are fewer people falling asleep each year.
How to cope with small churches getting growing ecclesiae

One of the deceases of this time is that too many people want to enjoy their own little cocoon and not getting out of their comfort zone to share life with the spiritually needy. Those who call themselves Christian may not forget that this means to be a follower of Jesus Christ and demands also doing what he required from his followers. Jesus asked us to go out in the world to proclaim the Kingdom of God. We are to make every effort to bring hope and healing in Jesus name to those in need.

We are to see that the tangible goodness of God flows into every nook and cranny of our communities – especially in those places where darkness seems to prevail. {Walking With Intentionality}

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Preceding articles:

Religious Practices around the world

Manifests for believers #3 Catholic versus Protestant

Ecclesia to exist, grow and communities to have people communicating with each other

The Ecclesia in the churchsystem

Reasons to come together

The Big Conversation

The Big Conversation follow up

Reasons why you may not miss the opportunity to go to a Small Church

Engaging the culture without losing the gospel

Evangelisation, local preaching opposite overseas evangelism

Feeling-good, search for happiness and the church

Members of the ecclesia uniting and seeking God’s help in tribulation

Why we do not have our worship-services in a church building

Belgian Christadelphians 2013 & 2014 in review

Personal thoughts, communication, establishing ecclesia and guest writings

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Additional reading:

  • People are turning their back on Christianity
  • Looking on what is going on and not being of it
  • London an exaggerated microcosm of the UK at large
  • Parents forbidden to pray in front of their children or to take them to church
  • State and attitude of certain people to blame for radicalisation
  • More Muslim children than Christian children growing up in our cities
  • Will Islam conquer Europe
  • Christianity to be enshrined
  • Halloween custom of the nations
  • Wrong ideas about religious terrorism
  • A call easy to understand
  • Discipleship way of life on the narrow way to everlasting life
  • Many forgot how Christ should be our anchor and our focus
  • The meek one riding on an ass
  • Do not be afraid to learn or to speak
  • Reasons to come together
  • Congregate, to gather, to meet
  • Fellowship
  • Disciple of Christ counting lives and friends dear to them
  • The first on the list of the concerns of the saint
  • Holiness and expression of worship coming from inside
  • To find ways of Godly understanding
  • Perishable non theologians daring to go out to preach
  • Who are the honest ones?
  • Certain people trying to stem freedom of speech
  • Priority to form a loving brotherhood
  • Newsweek asks: How ignorant are you?
  • Religious Freedom in a Multicultural World
  • Some christians do have problems with the Christian connection with Jews
  • American atheists most religiously literate Americans
  • Determine the drive
  • Try driving forward instead of backwards
  • Campbell, Thomas and Bijbelvorsers
  • Looking at older articles series over Russell on the previous Bible-scholar Association
  • Wanting to know more about basic teachings of Christadelphianism
  • Christadelphians or Messianic Christians or Messianic Jews
  • Christadelphian people
  • Who are Christadelphians
  • What are Brothers in Christ
  • Two new encyclopaedic articles
  • Christadelphians today
  • Keeping an ecclesia in modern times
  • Small churches of the few Christadelphians
  • Christianity to be enshrined
  • Christianity is a love affair
  • Intentions of an Ecclesia
  • Character transformed by the influence of our fellowships
  • Love for each other attracting others
  • What makes a consecrated Christian
  • A call easy to understand
  • If you have integrity
  • Work with joy and pray with love
  • To know Christ is filling life with meaning
  • The truth is very plain to see and God can be clearly seen
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    Other articles of interest:

  • Walking in Total Dependence Upon God
  • What is God’s Will For Your Life?
  • On the Affirmation of Scripture
  • A Snapshot of the Church in America
  • a little church
  • Four Pressing Needs in Rural Communities, and How the Church Should Respond
  • If It’s All About Relationship…
  • Leading a church is not a hands free exercise
  • Walking With Intentionality
  • Living Our Faith in a New Way
  • What’s in It for Me?
  • Deacon Selection In the Small Church
  • Lord’s Day 10: God is in Control
  • Just Try a Few Things
  • “When Faith Goes, All Good Things Go”
  • Growing Deep
  • All the Wrong Reasons
  • Little Church
  • Leading Change
  • Small Groups & Grow A Small Church by Multiplying Its Small Groups
  • Living well
  • Blessed by His Hand
  • Encouragement for the Small
  • How Did You Get Here?
  • How to Impersonate a Big Church
  • What Do You Do Well?
  • Recognize the Facts
  • What are your top two struggles?
  • The Best Thing You Can Do
  • On the road to sainthood and not silent about it
  • Incognito Zone: Where the Church Is Booming
  • House Church Reaches Out to Atheists, Agnostics in California
  • The one religion that’s not part of my spiritual quest
  • Six Ways Not to Forsake the Assembly
  • Tent Making
  • Journey On The Narrow Path
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    The Big conversation Why it matters

    Looking at our small community we must remember that it is God Who calls and for what we can offer in our community He takes what we have and makes it go further!

    • Church is the place to bring empty lives for God to fill.
    • Church is about meeting not just meetings!

    In our previous postings we also pointed out that some people may have a wrong opinion about unity and expect all people in a community to say the same and to act the same. But “being one” doesn’t mean “being a clone”. God blesses unity! And we should have and should share our unity in Christ and unity with Christ. All being one in following the teachings of Christ, believing what he says and following up what he asked his followers to do. Not just following a church because it pleases us but because it follows the teachings of the son of God, Jesus Christ, and stays truthful to the Words of God, following God’s Will and willing to share His Gospel. Our union should be in the love for God which should be noticeable for outsiders, being a union of loving peopleloving Jehovah God and His son Christ Jesus, Jeshua the Messiah, as lovers of the truth, sharing this love and Good News and spreading unselfish, mutual, unconditional Agape brotherly love and love for all creation under the Covenant of love as beloved disciples and as Bible lovers making a circle of love under the Royal Law of love.

    Having different people coming together there should be allowance for every one to have their say. All gathered should have respect for all present and give them the opportunity to share their ideas. Being together it also must be an occasion where public confession, based on a word from God, can take place. This may demand courage to stand up and declare truth, but in a real church of God this should not be a problem because that has to be a place of sharing the love of Christ and working at getting the love of God.

    Spending time together to study the Word of God, must do something to those present. Change is inevitable…

    except from a vending machine

    said Arne Roberts, on October the tenth, at the Big Conversation. For him it is clear what is going to happen to other Bible Students which all came form the same source.

    Here’s what will happen to Jehovah’s Witnesses: They will become increasingly like the religious group that influenced Charles Russell: The Christadelphians

    The Christadelphians were once an outspoken, vibrant, edgy “Christian” group who spread their urgent end-times message far and wide. They grew exponentially in the latter half of the nineteenth century, but their heyday is long past. For several decades now they resemble a heavy rusty old steam locomotive that is running out of speed as it lumbers along ill-kept tracks, but still tries to muster the motion needed to take on steep mountain slopes.

    The Christadelphians ooze sad irrelevance and faded glory of times well passed. They are an old people’s religion – old people who don’t have the self- and other-awareness to see that they are clinging to a dead dream. The Christadelphians have long since passed their used-by date and the only ones who still ‘practice’ this religion are older individuals who cannot muster the strength to look out their windows at the real world passing them by.

    This is the future of Jehovah’s Witnesses, who will not go out with a bang, but who will slowly whimper to an ever slower crawl as the decades pass and the world, in its infinite fascination with religious novelty, will fix its distractable attention on to other more modern belief systems.

    For Arne Roberts that is not the end. He asks us to keep in mind that we are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone.

    We as followers of Christ should make sure that the Clarion of the Torah may sound. We hearing the sound loudly should make sure that there might be a stimulant for others in our community to become co-workers, helping each other, not working against each other, or not considering each other rivals. As individual beings, planets or stars, we may be totally different, but together we are one part of the universe, just some small elements in the creation of God.

    Our very tiny community at a Breaking of Bread gathering at our regular meeting place, the service centre in Heverlee, Leuven.

    When people just not come to join others because they are part of a small community than that community shall never have any chance of growing. When people keep waiting before willing to join a small community because it does not attract them for it is so small that they shall be noticed, we do have to convince them that they should not hide themselves behind the numbers. It is true that when there is a small church people will be noticed. In a mega church nobody shall notice it when you come in later, slip out earlier, shall fall asleep or shall not be attentional. When we encounter such doubting people who are afraid to join a small church we can ask them

    How long to wait before bringing religiousness and spirituality in practice

    It is up to us that God is in our life and that we want to share it with them. They should not be afraid to feel having a naked identity it such a small group, because as followers of Christ Jesus we have abandoned our sinful ‘I’ and actually have taken an other identity, no identity of our own apart from our union with Christ. Not that we have no unique personality or value or purpose, but that Christ defines our new life. It is that inseparable connection within Christ as a believer, which unites us and in the love of Christ we found the love for each other and have to show the world that we want to share that love. When we fail to see our true existence in Christ and fail to find our life and, thus, seek it outside of Christ we shall become victim of our own vain pursuit that only leads to frustration and angst in our God-thirsty soul.

    We must understand that whatever happens the majority of people will not want to take the divine Creator as their God and lots of people shall prefer to be part of the contemporary world, belonging to it, being in it, and enjoying a worldly philosophy, inventions of men designed to rob you of your inheritance (Col.2:8-10) and as such shall not be so much attracted to the Christadelphian world, which demands a change in their attitude. The friendship with the world is for most people much more important than the friendship with God loving people. Most shall prefer to stay in the Godless world having not to wonder about their own responsibilities.

    It is up to the lovers of God to show the others the light of the world and that no one should worry to much about living in this world. When people could come to know that New world better they might think twice and be prepared easier to leave the Old world for what it is, looking forward to a better and perfect world. We understand it is not easy for man to get away with the worldly traditions, so this shall always be some of the obstacles to join or to stay in our community. But people should not be afraid that they cannot take part in worldly events in a Godless world.  Christadelphians for sure also can enjoy worldly life, having enough time fore worldly pleasures, and not to become frustrated under the yoke of the world.

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    Preceding articles:

    Counting sands and stars

    The Big conversation

    The Big conversation follow up

    Reasons why you may not miss the opportunity to go to a Small Church

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    Additional reading

  • A call easy to understand
  • Jehovah steep rock and fortress, source of insight
  • How long to wait before bringing religiousness and spirituality in practice
  • Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love
  • He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him.
  • Many forgot how Christ should be our anchor and our focus
  • The business of this life
  • Church sent into the world
  • Work with joy and pray with love
  • Love for each other attracting others
  • How do you keep people from stealing your joy?
  • Love is like playing the piano
  • Creator and Blogger God 9 A Blog of a Book 3 Blog about Prophecy
  • Not all christians are followers of a Greco-Roman culture
  • Misunderstandings concerning C.T. Russell
  • Looking at older articles series over Russell on the previous Bible-scholar Association
  • Was Russell and Rutherford “Illuminati”?
  • Charles Taze Russell and what he started
  • Jesse Hemery and the The Goshen Fellowship
  • To remove the whitewash of the Jehovah Witnesses as being the only true Bible Students and Bible Researchers
  • Using the name Jehovah but not a witness of that name
  • Different approach in organisation of services #1
  • Different approach in organisation of services #2
  • Different approach in organisation of services #3
  • A man from the North wanting to have control in Belgium
  • Priority to form a loving brotherhood
  • Commitment to Christian unity
  • Parts of the body of Christ
  • Dissolution of Bijbelvorsers (Bible scholars), Association for Bible study
  • Two new encyclopaedic articles
  • Who are the Christadelphians
  • What are Brothers in Christ
  • Discipleship way of life on the narrow way to everlasting life
  • Christadelphian people
  • Christadelphians or Messianic Christians or Messianic Jews
  • About the Belgian Free Christadelphians
  • What Christadelphians teach
  • Small churches of the few Christadelphians
  • Priority to form a loving brotherhood
  • 19° Century London Christadelphians
  • Breathing and growing with no heir
  • Preaching to an unbelieving world
  • Commitment to Christian unity
  •  Parts of the body of Christ
  • What part of the Body am I?
  • The Church, Body of Christ and remnant Israel synonymous
  • United people under Christ
  • Fellowship
  • The Ecclesia
  • The Ecclesia in the churchsystem
  • The ecclesia or Christadelphian church
  • Our relationship with God, Jesus and each other
  • Our ecclesia or Christadelphian-church
  • Intentions of an Ecclesia
  • An ecclesia in your neighbourhood
  • Communion and day of worship
  • Christadelphians today
  • Small churches of the few Christadelphians
  • Harvest in Belgium
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    Further readings:

  • I Once Was Blind but Now I See
  • Day 28: Where Are They?
  • Day 28: Where Are They?
  • Cornerstones
  • Narcissist Case Studies – How We Know The Pharisees Were Narcissists, Part 2
  • Jesus The Cornerstone Of The Church
  • Hey You, Cornterstone! (Who???….me?) Yeah, You!
  • God Is Not Human
  • Where to Draw the Line: Culture vs Religion
  • The Cornerstone: The Response of the Church in Violent Times
  • Gospel Doctrine 2015 – Lesson 39 – “For the Perfecting of the Saints”
  • Finding Joy in the Little Things
  • Word Wednesday: Jesus Our Cornerstone
  • The Cornerstone of Your Life
  • Cornerstone
  • Walking With Intentionality
  • What is God’s Will For Your Life?
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    Those who love Jesus

    In Evangelisation, local preaching opposite overseas evangelism we looked at a specific blog where the Christadelphians where accused of not loving Jesus. The blog mentioned is not the only one which tries to blacken the Christadelphian community and let her readers to believe that we would not love Jesus. In the discussion of the blog Honor «god» and Queen of Heaven you might find their reasoning. So often we get people complaining to us that we are not following God’s Word and that we are blasphemous and hate Jesus because we do not take him to be God. Having so many times to defend our Christadelphian faith and to proof to people that it well can be that we do love Jesus even much more than they do, that we decided to open some platform where we specifically go deeper into that subject of loving Jesus and following Jesus.

    C4U: Christ For You & Christadelphians For You, started on 7 February 2015

    On 2015, February the 7th, C4U a Wix.com website was created to tell the world that we have Christ for us and that the Christadelphians are willing to show the world why it is so important to have Christ for us.

    We want to show the importance the Christadelphians put on Bible reading and following what is written and advised in the Bible. It is not just o.k. to read it now and then, but when we do love God, we should want to read the Book of books, with His infallible Word in it, regularly. When we do love God we would also listen very carefully to His Voice which resounds throughout the 66 books of the Canonic Bible.

    From the beginning of that compilation of books, we are told about creation, what has happened to it and what is going to happen in the future. We can also see that there is put a lot of focus on one particular man, who was already promised in the Garden of Eden, many years later to several people who wanted to listen to the different prophets God had chosen to represent Him. The prophet Isaiah gave a light of the future world and with him many pointed out to a saviour to come. Like the astrologers who came to visit the newborn in Bethlehem, everybody could come to the same conclusion as they when they would listen attentively to the Word of God, given to all in the Book of books, the Bible.

    The prophet born in Bethlehem, who came to live with his parents in Nazareth and later in life started a public life, which did not last long, because people had sought to kill him, is the one we want to put our focus on.

    All for Christ, a website started in 2015, February 8, to show people the reason of the importance of Christ Jesus for us all, and how we all should come to follow him, who is the Way to Jehovah God

    Also “All for Christ” wants to look at this spectacular man, who had not such special looks or was not so rich, but was special because of his way how he could cope with people and how he could explain the Words of God.

    Both new websites want to focus on Jesus Christ and bring the reasons forward why this man of flesh and blood is so special for humankind.

    At the same time they want to show that it are perhaps those, who really want to believe what is written in the Bible, about that man and who want to stick to those words instead of following human doctrines, who are the real lovers of Christ.
    Those who cannot accept that it ever would be possible that a man could follow God’s commandments do not have trust in the Maker of man, because than He would have created a being impossible to follow His wishes, and as such have created from the start an imperfect being and having demanded straight ahead too much. Not only do they injustice to the maker of man. They also do totally injustice to Jesus, because they consider him impossible to be a man of flesh and blood not capable to do the Will of God, but as God he could naturally do that Will of God, because then he would be that God Himself doing His own Will. They also forget that they, making Jesus into God, make of him a liar, because God knows everything, though Jesus said he did not know when he would come back, did not know when the end-times would take place and did not know who would be seated next to him. In case he is God, he would not have told the truth because God knows everything. But it makes Scriptures even more untrustable, because in it is told that God can not be seen or man would fall dead, that God can not be tempted, that God is an eternal Spirit (meaning he cannot die) Who does not tell lies. Though we are told Jesus was born (had a beginning) and was seen by many. We are also told that Jesus was tempted more than once. Worst of all is that in the New Testament is said Jesus died and after he was taken out of the dead, having been three days in hell, he showed to his disciples his wounds and confirmed to them that he was not a spirit (this would once more be a contradiction then in the Scriptures).

    With the new websites we want to show people who Christ Jesus really was and is, and how he has been made higher than before (having been lower than angels, though God was, is and always shall be the Most High), now seated next to Jehovah God to be the one mediator between man and God.

    Both sites want to show the world what Christ has done for us all and why he earns the glory. they shall bring forward how important it is to recognise what Jesus really did, giving his life for all mankind, offering himself as a lamb and a ransom for God.

    Everybody should know that those who love Jesus most are those who believe what Jesus himself said and are willing to follow up everything Jesus asked.

    Christadelphians are Brothers and Sisters in Christ not only willing to be part of the Body of Christ passively, but taking up the task Jesus has given seriously, going out in the world proclaiming the Good News of the coming Kingdom of God.

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      When we bring Jesus to people we don’t have to bring our ethnicity with Him. We don’t even need to hold too strongly to the culture of Circle of Hope! We are called to show honor to people as they are. Their transformation starts from the inside out. Whatever conformity happens is the work of the Spirit. Jesus is going to transform every culture as He relentlessly creates Christ culture. It is a wonder how large and inclusive Christ culture is! God enjoys all the flavors in which his truth and love can be served.
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      But generic words for God, because they are generic, can be used to refer to a multiplicity of gods. So the term must be narrowed down. If someone uses a generic word for “God,” the follow-up question must be asked, “Which ‘god’ are your referring to?”

      Our remark: Naturally when those Christians do take Jesus to be the God, than you could say the Jews and Muslims do have an other God, because they, like Jesus have the God of Abraham, which is only One True God, not existing out of three persons.

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    Members of the ecclesia uniting and seeking God’s help in tribulation

    Tuesday-night at the meeting of the Ecclesia BrusselLeuven we read Romans 5 and 1 Corinthians 1+3, looking at the difficulties we have encountered the last few months and how we had to cope with it but also how we should continue our way.

    Sometimes we do get to recognise we could not re-conciliate but have to turn over the page and leave those who did not want to be amicably connected with us on their own. Sometimes a community has the priority to protect its own flock and has to take measures which do not seem so pleasant for all people involved. When certain people prefer to stand on their own and are not willing to co-operate the community than has to decide to let them go their own way, but when they themselves did everything to blacken that community, they should not have to keep contact any more. As such we decided to leave the man from the North and his organisation far what they are, and shall concentrate ourselves on bringing people to Christ ourselves, without their help.

    Jesus Christ is the man who opened the way to his Father. He is the One Mediator between God and man and is the cornerstone of the Church of God.

    We do trust the Most High, Elohim Hashem Jehovah, Who shall call people and Who shall guide us and give us that what we need according to His time.

    In Him we trust and give all our hope to build up His Church in Belgium and other parts in the world.

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    In the readings of today we look at the brothers and sisters in Corinth some 2000 years ago.

    In Belgium the community has been troubled by persons perhaps wanting to claim to have the right to make foundations and to direct the groups of people wanting to come together under the name of Christ.

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