Should I dare to do a "why #Markdown is one of the worst lightweight markup syntax languages there is"-session at a UX/UI-dominant #barcamp? 😜

C'mon, do push me over that cliff! 😆

Background: https://karl-voit.at/2017/09/23/orgmode-as-markup-only/ 👉 it's related but would be a different focus since I won't push #orgdown that much - people can be happier with other LMLs as well as long as it's not the #MD hell. (Sneak preview: I'm writing a long article on all the MD issues in order to explain it once and for all since the Mastodon discussions are really annoying to me.)

#LML #AsciiDoc #rSt #WikiText #orgmode

Org Mode Syntax Is One of the Most Reasonable Markup Languages to Use for Text

Org Mode Syntax Is One of the Most Reasonable Markup Languages to Use for Text

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Journelly open for beta

I've reignited Journelly, my note-taking/journaling project. The iOS app is coming along nicely. I've been using Journelly daily. The best I can desc...

Of course, if you do have long-time plans for your personal #knowledgemanagement, you should not use proprietary tools like #Obsidian, #OneNote, #Evernote and alike.

You also should think of switching to a much better (learnability, portability/compatibility, typobility, logic, featureset) markup syntax like #orgdown which is used in #Emacs #Orgmode (among other tools).

But if you start with Org-mode, you need to know the right way of doing it, as so many web pages recommend. Here's my take:

#UOMF: The Right Way to Use #OrgMode
https://karl-voit.at/2021/08/30/the-org-mode-way/

ad syntax/Markdown/Orgdown/#LML: https://karl-voit.at/2017/09/23/orgmode-as-markup-only/

A specific blog post about the #lockin effects of Obsidian and Co (despite using some tool-specific flavor of MD) is in the making. (Please don't start a religious discussion here.)

#publicvoit #PIM #PKM

UOMF: The Right Way to Use Org Mode

UOMF: The Right Way to Use Org Mode

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@ajlewis2 @ellane @feralthoughts @hbowie @reichenstein

Just for clarification: same holds true for any other markup supported by pandoc, not just #Markdown.

However, if you stick with a syntax language that doesn't come with this explosion of flavors, you have less issues converting your data - in some cases you don't even have to convert at all any more.

The issue with Markdown is that its original form defined a small minimum of elements and each tool defined its own potentially incompatible extensions. With other #LML, the "original" or its standard defines the maximum set of elements and therefore, there is no need for "flavors" and no data loss or conversion effort.

HTH

#AsciiDoc #orgmode #orgdown #Obsidian #PIM

@amoroso My thoughts:

- They mix up Markdown with the general term lightweight #markup language (as if #Markdown is the only #LML syntax)

- They ignore all other markup syntax examples such as (La)TeX, HTML, ...

- great screenshots of Word for DOS upwards 👍

- the title should be "#WYSIWYG vs. LML" (instead of the Word vs. Markdown story)

- no mentioning of other LML examples

Well it looks, as if we're settling for a mediocre standard again.

Related: https://karl-voit.at/2017/09/23/orgmode-as-markup-only/

#orgdown #orgmode

Org Mode Syntax Is One of the Most Reasonable Markup Languages to Use for Text

Org Mode Syntax Is One of the Most Reasonable Markup Languages to Use for Text

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Nice #Emacs #orgmode video about its basic features:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlYQijQCNHU (1h32min)

You can use that as a #tutorial. 👍

#PIM #notetaking #orgdown #education

One and a half-hour advanced course on Org Mode (8 videos in one) #emacs #orgmode #org

YouTube

I just finished my first version of #tootsnoop - a #Mastodon #statistics tool:

https://gitlab.com/publicvoit/tootsnoop

It shows you the x topmost boosts, favs, replies to your messages of the last y days.

Its text output format is #orgdown, the syntax of #orgmode. Perfect for #Emacs users and easy to read for the rest of us.

Have fun!

#PIM #MastoMetrics #toots

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@publicvoit Nur damit ich es richtig verstehe:

Du sagst, dass
#Markdown schlecht ist, weil es zu wenig Syntax bietet. Die Erweiterung der Syntax durch z. B. #Obsidian Plugins (ja, die funktionieren nur in Obsidian) oder Flavours setzt du mit einem Lock-In Effekt gleich.

#Orgdown ist wesentlich besser, da es mehr Syntaxelemente bereit hält. Die Elemnte, die fehlen, können durch module hinzugeführt werden.
#Orgdown funktioniert aber nur mit #Emacs #Orgmode?
(Sorry, da kenne ich mich nicht mit aus)
Feedback zur Podcastepisode FOCUS ON: Linux 140 zu Org-Tools

Feedback zur Podcastepisode FOCUS ON: Linux 140 zu Org-Tools

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With #Markdown, the original (inconsistently designed) #LML syntax format is a minimal set that made much sense when used when typing emails and so forth. Later-on, various tools needed more syntax elements for obvious reasons. Those syntax add-ons extended the original Markdown. However, they were not standardized.

This resulted in a zoo of very similar but incompatible set of Markdown flavors. Those differences cause information loss by moving from one "Markdown" tool to another "Markdown" tool because Markdown is not Markdown in most cases.

In contrast to that, #orgdown, the syntax of #Emacs #orgmode, as the one and only original form has - by far - the largest set of syntax elements and various extensions by modules. Any other adaptation of this syntax in other tools chose a real sub-set of the original syntax elements. This makes data transitions much smoother, is less error-prone and causes less data loss.

More on that: https://karl-voit.at/2017/09/23/orgmode-as-markup-only/

#publicvoit #PIM #obsidian

Org Mode Syntax Is One of the Most Reasonable Markup Languages to Use for Text

Org Mode Syntax Is One of the Most Reasonable Markup Languages to Use for Text

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