Continuing the #nationalId debate, here’s the key part of the #digitalId experience in #Poland core mobile application called mObywatel.

When I want to log in to any government website, they display a QR code which I scan with the app. What then happens you see on the screenshot below (in Polish, sorry) and it’s the critical part.

The app tells me what personal details the website is requesting from me, and I am explicitly approving this share.

In this case, I was logging in to Polish social insurance insurance. The only details they need from me is name, surname and unique id number (think NINo) which binds to my insurance account. That’s it.

Why this is important? Because this explicit share approval provides you with full transparency on what data you’re sharing and with whom.

Of course, the social insurance already has all of my details since I’ve started university, but then mObywatel also integrates with commercial institutions, like banks.

Then it becomes useful, because you can literally open a bank account online using mObywatel, in which case you will have to authorise much more details - which you’d normally be required to fill in a paper form in the bank branch. But it will be always you to see and approve what you share with whom.

@rq

The “single government ID” is not really so single in EU either,

All other documents like passport or driving license are optional. National id is something you receive at birth but most importantly that’s the only document a government can require from you when you approach them for an official matter.

Specifically, they can’t expect you to present say driver license and if people use it for e.g. picking up parcel or buying booze, it’s just an identity proxy based on a document that certifies an unrelated entitlement (to drive cars). In the UK all id documents are proxies.

none of our official government IDs prove our residence address

I don’t know about other countries, but in the Polish id you can add your registered address - or not, at your discretion. If you do, it’s the only document anyone may require you to prove your address. If not, naturally you resort to other means.

although forging a utility bill doesn’t sound all that difficult

Well, you’ve just conducted a very reasonable vulnerability assessment of the existing British model :) That’s exactly how that works and yes, it’s based on the fiction that these bills are even authentic.

instead of just letting citizens declare their place of residence

In short, because they need an address where they can deliver legally binding debt notices, court order or speeding tickets in a way that you won’t later claim “I’ve never got them”.

you can’t even rent a home without a bank account, and you can’t get a bank account without an address,

You have just described the reality of the first year of every person moving into UK, including myself 😄

#nationalId

I am unable to use the #uk government's "one login" app to prove my identity because it does not recognise #GrapheneOS via the play integrity api.

This is nonsense and I've complained but shows the way things are going: pay apple or google or proving your identity becomes very hard.

I'll have to visit my a post office (now few and far between) to get them to verify my id. Just so I can volunteer.

Imagine what a mess they'll make of #nationalID cards.

#ukpol #digitalID #privacy #noBigTech

TSA launches smartphone-based digital ID scheme – Papers, Please!

What does the federal govt know about us? What bits of info can it be fairly sure all relate to a specific US citizen? If one of those data points is where we currently live, why can't it keep track of where we should be registered to vote? If it can't do this, if people don't want it to be able to do this, how can those same people think it is capable of stealing an election? So much could be simpler but that would be a trade-off with other values that so many here hold dear. #NationalID #uspol

#Japan mandates app to ensure national #ID cards aren't #forged • The Register

First delays, then data #leaks – now #fraud detection needed at point of use
#nationalid #security

https://www.theregister.com/2024/08/02/japan_smartcard_verification_app/

Japan mandates app to ensure national ID cards aren't forged

First delays, then data leaks – now fraud detection needed at point of use

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The 'Identity Crisis' around the world

On International Identity Day, we are highlighting that the technology-driven ID systems being implemented around the world are leading to new forms of surveillance and exclusion.

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日本の#マイナンバー /カードと諸外国が導入している#ナショナルID の仕組みは、コンピューターの解析能力の高度化に伴って、ますます個人を膨大なデータにリンクさせるようになっているように思う。
#PrivacyInternationalの二つのレポートを訳しました。2021年のレポート 」世界中で最も使用されている基盤的IDシステムの分析をまとめる」 https://www.alt-movements.org/no_more_capitalism/hankanshi-info/knowledge-base/digital-national-id-systems-ways-shapes-and-forms/
もうひとつは#ペルー のナショナルIDについてのレポート「IDシステムの分析:ペルーのDNIe」 https://www.alt-movements.org/no_more_capitalism/hankanshi-info/knowledge-base/pi_id-systems-analysed-dnie-peru_jp/
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(PI)世界中で最も使用されている基盤的IDシステムの分析をまとめる – 反監視情報