@ekaitz_zarraga

To be honest it took an incredible amount of time (to me) to enrich libposix enough for newlib to support GCC need.

Yet #Jehanne deviated from #Plan9 enough to make the port slightly simpler as Jehanne support ELF binaries while Plan 9 and #9front only run (custom) a.out binaries.

And to be honest, I have no idea on how to change the output binary format of GCC.

@theruran

@miriamgreco

Certo, questa è una ottima obbiezione.

Quando ho iniziato il porting di #GCC su #Jehanne, non immaginavo assolutamente che avrebbe di lì a poco abbandonato il progetto #GNU. Né ero consapevole che la Steering Committee [1] fosse composta in ampia prevalenza da dipendenti di aziende con contratti miliardari con il DoD americano (9 membri su 13).

Perché potessi accorgermene è stato necessario che togliessero #RMS su richiesta di un dipendente di #Facebook.

D'altronde la questione è seria e ben nota sin dai tempi di "Reflections on Trusting Trust" [2] e molti ci stanno lavorando da anni, attaccando il problema da vari fronti.

Detto questo rassegnarsi, collettivamente, al fatalismo del "eh ma tanto è tutto insicuro" è ciò che lascia molti esposti ad innumerevoli vulnerabilità che potrebbero essere facilmente evitate.

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[1] https://gcc.gnu.org/steering.html

[2] https://cs.cmu.edu/~rdriley/487/papers/Thompson_1984_ReflectionsonTrustingTrust.pdf

@tassoman @loweel @fatualux

@ekaitz_zarraga Not an expert at all, but GCC made me crazy when I had to port it to #Jehanne.

Also, since the removal of #RMS from the #GCC SteeringCommittee I realized that its development is mostly in the hand of large US corporations with large DoD military contracts.

I mean, what can go wrong?

I started to port Jehanne to TCC but it's not that easy (in particular for the kernel parts) and after some days on that I moved to other stuffs. For now.

GCC is a cool tool(set).

Unfortunately, they forgot (or betrayed) the #GNU in their name.

@101101000

That's why #Jehanne quit #GitHub this year.

I should have moved it earlier, but after #Copilot blatant violation of #copyleft, I had no reason to keep a free operating system there.

http://jehanne.h--k.it/2022/01/06/jehanne_is_moving.html

#Jehanne is moving... (slowly)

http://jehanne.h--k.it/2022/01/06/jehanne_is_moving.html

@yogthos

I wonder why processes are not green by default in operating systems.

In #Jehanne, for example, pids are a scarse resource: #Plan9 needs to be able to export /proc over 9P2000 and this means you can have only 2000 process running at any time because of limits in the protocol... (limits that for once I cannot recall exactly because of... #wine... sorry :-D).

For the rest, processes are pretty cheap in #Jehanne.

What's other OSes excuse?

@be

@ekaitz_zarraga

Yes, I am.

Not much on #Jehanne, but on deciding what computing should be (and thus what Jehanne aims to become).

Yeah, complex software exists.
But it should not.

So now make is useful because of #WirthsLaw... but it should not. 😉