I believe my brother or really my brother's body has a mind but his body is a visual experience of my mind. Assuming his mind exists he has his own visual experience of his mind that is his body that he controls. But it's similar to yet different from the body I experience. His mind causing his body to move makes sense but how is his mind able to cause other versions of his body in other minds to move? #philosophy #metaphysics #ontology #idealism #mind #intersubjectivity #animism #theoryofmind
I really do feel that every body having a mind and intersubjectivity are related. That's why a body moves in all minds. Whether it's a human, (non-human) animal, plant, fungal, watery, or earthy/stony body. #philosophy #metaphysics #theoryofmind #animism #intersubjectivity #subjectivism

How will AI impact our shared reality? 🤔 Exploring intersubjectivity and the digital future on CTNET. #Philosophy #AI #Intersubjectivity #Tech

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@p0kadevil Human #consciousness ("self") exists at the same level as the #ShipOfTheseus and #SantaClaus.
"#Religion is a good example of intersubjective reality: you can't see, touch, or hold it, but the idea exists in many minds across the globe."
#intersubjectivity
«Είναι με τον άνθρωπο όπως και με τα εμπορεύματα. Εφόσον δεν έρχεται στον κόσμο ούτε με έναν καθρέφτη στο χέρι, ούτε ως ένας Φιχτιανός φιλόσοφος, στον οποίο αρκεί το «εγώ είμαι εγώ», ο άνθρωπος πρώτα βλέπει και αναγνωρίζει τον εαυτό του στους άλλους ανθρώπους. Ο Πέτρος δημιουργεί τη δική του ταυτότητα ως ένας άνθρωπος, συγκρίνοντας πρώτα τον εαυτό του με τον Παύλο ως κάποιον του ίδιου είδους. Και έτσι ο Παύλος, ακριβώς όπως στέκεται μέσα στην παυλιανή του προσωπικότητα, γίνεται για τον Πέτρο ο τύπος του γένους homo

“It is with man as with commodities. Since he comes into the world neither with a looking glass in his hand, nor as a Fichtean philosopher, to whom ʽI am I’ is sufficient, man first sees and recognises himself in other men. Peter only establishes his own identity as a man by first comparing himself with Paul as being of like kind. And thereby Paul, just as he stands in his Pauline personality, becomes to Peter the type of the genus
homo.”

#Μαρξ, Κεφάλαιο, Τόμος Ι, Κεφάλαιο Πρώτο (https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch01.htm#19) (1867)

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#intersubjectivity #recognition #αναγνώριση #διυποκειμενικότητα
Economic Manuscripts: Capital Vol. I - Chapter One

Capital Vol. I : Chapter One (Commodities)

From Bruce Fink’s Against Understanding vol 2:

In Lacan’s view, no such intersubjectivity is possible because there is always a fundamental hiatus or disjunction—a misunderstanding or missed understanding—between people, because first of all, we tend to misunderstand ourselves (not wanting to know certain things about ourselves), and second, because we misunderstand each other (projecting onto others what we ourselves think, or believe we would feel were we in their shoes, not to mention jumping to conclusions about what they have said

From Bruce Fink’s Against Understanding vol 1:

There is something unknown there, something mysterious, something opaque. This Other knows something about the world that I do not know, this Other has a knowledge of things that I do not have (indeed, this Other might be understood to be the model for what is referred to as the all-knowing or omniscient God in a certain number of religions).

To what extent is intersubjectivity a fantasy? A faith that we can, as bell hooks once put it in a different context, “turn back time and be in that paradise again, in that moment of remembered rapture where I felt loved, where I felt a sense of belonging”? If intersubjectivity is the point at which ‘we’ experience a singular thing, where our understandings are shared, this must be imbued with the impulse of return to the primordial ‘we’.

Even if we recognise our imagined adult intersubjectivity as a precarious achievement, as a process rather than an outcome, the precarity we attribute to it indexes the possibility of a non-precarious intersubjectivity. In recognising how this thing we aspire to must surely be beset by risks on all sides, we dimly recall having once experienced something which did not feel similarly besieged. In doing so we are trying to return to something which never really existed. From Against Understanding vol 2, pg 7:

One of the fundamental facets of neurosis is, I would argue, the ever-repeated attempt to get back to something that is irretrievable. It is irretrievable in large part because we never really had it in the first place, at least not in the way we think we had it: we never really had an exclusive, fusional relationship with our primary caretakers, for example. Nevertheless, looking back on earlier times, we may perhaps believe we did.

I’m wondering increasingly if there’s an echo of this primordial trauma every time we have the impulse to get beyond our misunderstandings. This isn’t to deny the importance of dialogue, understanding and coordinations. It’s rather to dispense with the hope there’s some beyond to these situated and meaningful activities, to begin to shift into the register of symbolic interactionism*, a point at which the fundamental hiatus referred to by Fink disappears into the rear view mirror and you can both breathe a sigh of relief.

It’s a neurotic obsessive fantasy of control that with enough, sufficiently careful, talk the joint in the ‘we’ can be smoothed over and the possibility of rupture foreclosed. The energy consumed by the fantasy could instead be directed towards the understanding which is situationally necessary, as a precarious achievement tied to moving forward, rather than the final overcoming of a possibility which will always be there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmrDzlwJPaU

You have buried childish qualities
Friend make sense of me, friend make sense of me
I have many destructive qualities
Friend make sense of me, friend make sense of me
I have so much hurt inside me
Friend make sense of me, friend make sense of me

*Can you read Lacan through symbolic interactionism? This makes me think you can and that it would be immensely productive for my long term project of bringing together Archerian internal conversation and Lacanian psychoanalysis.

https://markcarrigan.net/2024/10/19/there-is-always-a-missed-understanding-between-people/

#bellHooks #BruceFink #fantasy #intersubjectivity #Lacan #love #misunderstanding #NorbertWiley #symbolicInteractionism

The Social Construction of AGI

In The Social Construction of Reality: A Treatise in the Sociology of Knowledge (1966), Berger and Luckmann assert that reality is not an object…

«Before blaming digital technology, we should perhaps consider the fact that its specific use is dictated and conditioned by the contemporary model of society in which the same technology is produced and used. Our western capitalist model speaks more of individuals than of groups, praises self-empowerment and competition at the expense of solidarity, leading people to an ever-growing anxious fight for self-promotion.»

#digital #mediascape #digitalnatives #embodiedsimulation #intersubjectivity #psychopathology
#neuroscience

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/09540261.2024.2355281

#introduction time... I'm an artist exploring perceptions of sound and space to find resonance between people and places through experimental sound, image and social practices.

exploring; #deeplistening, auditory agency, #animism, land-based narratives, micro sociologies, #intersubjectivity, #chaos and #complexity, #geomorphology, #weathering, #peripheries, rewilding, rural futures and more... #fieldrecording #eurorack #modular #maaheli #microsound

Live seminar and discussion on participatory sense-making taking place at the moment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrirQewE9Z8

This is part of the Core Enaction programme, which looks to have a wonderful line-up of conversations/events over the next few weeks.

https://mindandlife-europe.org/core-enaction-semester-4/

#CognitiveScience #enaction #intersubjectivity

Core Enaction Programme, Semester 4

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