Here's something you ought to buy from #China before the #tariffs kick in:

#Bafang #BBSHD #ebike motor kits are easy to install, and turn your favorite acoustic #bike into an #ev!

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I do have a gear shift sensor for the motor that briefly turns off motor power when I shift. I've heard mixed reviews about the #Alfine 8 - people saying they've ridden it thousands of km with #bafang mid-drive motors, others saying they killed it. But one of the cargo bikes I bought has a bafang mid-drive (#BBSHD, so more power/torque than the #BBS02) and a dead #Enviolo hub (N330, so not the burlier Enviolo Heavy Duty hub that I'd likely get).

Curious to hear from anyone who uses both hubs.

@bespacific Here a photo that shows an optional motor bracket purchased elsewhere that I recently installed. I wouldnโ€™t say itโ€™s necessary - though getting enough torque on the regular locking ring so the motor doesnโ€™t move if youโ€™re jumping off curbs or trail riding is challenging with the basic installation tool which Luna sells. I still need to pull it back apart to paint the stainless steel bracket to match the frame. #ebike #BBSHD #DIY
I ordered a #TSDZ2 programming cable (https://cycles.eco/products/tsdz2-motor-firmware-programming-cable-with-6ft-usb-extension). I really don't like the default settings and motor is noisy. After getting the #BBSHD (which either Luna or the prior owners had programmed with fantastic settings) and the #BBS02 (which came with stock settings that were pretty bad, but I reprogrammed with the #bafang programming cable and now it's almost as good as the BBSHD), I've realized that replacing the TSDZ2 firmware is probably going to be a huge difference.
TSDZ2 Motor Firmware Programming Cable

I also just prefer the feeling of the #BBSHD to the #TSDZ2, but this is also some good rationale: https://jonsully.net/blog/ebike-cadence-vs-torque-motor/

If you want to feel like you're always getting a workout and always pushing, you want torque-sensing.

Cadence-sensing lets you choose whether you want a workout or want to rely more (or entirely) on the motor, because you're trying to get somewhere. I appreciate the choice.

(Of course low-quality cadence-sensing systems suck, but so do low-quality torque-sensing..)

E-Bikes: Cadence-Sensing Motors vs. Torque-Sensing Motors

Different sensors for different types of rides!

I rented a janky #ebike today with plenty of power, but man - the cadence-sensing was so weird. The amount of push was constant; you pedal, it pushes you forward *fast*. The pedal-assist levels were for speed limit settings. PAS level 1 stopped pushing at 10mph, PAS 2 at 15mph, PAS 3 around 19mph, PAS 4 around 23mph, etc. My #BBSHD's cadence-sensing pedal-assist is so much better.

Bummed that my #Bafang #BBSHD didn't come with a connector to power headlights.. but I've got my #Cetma Margo with a #TSDZ2 that *does* have headlight connectors, & a dynamo hub on the front wheel. So I can move the dynamo hub wheel onto the BBSHD Cetma Largo, & use that for lighting. The TSDZ2 Cetma Margo can switch to using the ebike motor/battery for powering lights.

But seriously, why would you make an ebike motor w/out light connections? (newer BBSHDs now include connectors, I think)

#BBSHD vs #TSDZ2 (ie, cadence-sensing vs torque-sensing ebike pedal-assist, respectively) is interesting. My experience was with Bosch mid-drive motors, which are torque-sensing, so I figured I'd prefer the tsdz2. However, I'm really enjoying the cadence sensing. Basically, I don't want to feel super strong when I pedal at lower speeds, and then suddenly feel like I'm pedaling through mud when I hit the 20mph (or whatever, it's configurable) cut-off. I remember the #Bosch was like that, too.
Here's a brand new* tensioned and true wheel. Specifically using one of #Enviolo's "Heavy Duty" hubs (#N380 equivalent) that should hopefully be able to handle the output from the #Bafang #BBSHD motor.