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The EU is introducing an energy label for phones, together with mandatory requirements for phones sold in the EU;

- 5 years of software updates (AFTER they stop selling the device in the EU)

- providing important hardware parts (during sale and for 7 years after), including free software (if needed), to every repair shop, within 5-10 business days

- batteries have to make 800 charging cycles and still be above 80% original capacity

And on top of that, phones and tablets need this energy label (which also includes a fall damage durability and repairability score), and abide by the above requirements, from 20 June 2025.

(https://energy-efficient-products.ec.europa.eu/product-list/smartphones-and-tablets_en)

Smartphones and Tablets

Product Energy Efficiency - Smartphones and Tablets. The 2023 regulations cover smartphones, feature phones, cordless phones and slate tablets. They do not apply to tablet computers, to products with flexible main display (roll-up), and to smartphones for high security communication. Energy labelling is foreseen only for smartphones and slate tablets.

Energy Efficient Products

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Yeah the United States will never have privacy legislation. The government currently mandates that you have no privacy whatsoever. The credit bureaus are mandatory. Breaches are acceptable. No consequences

Do Ray-Bans actually suck? Are they just a meme? I’ve had to return two pairs now because they were fucked up

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Researchers at Harvard Business School and University of Toronto used unique data to quantify the value of open source.

Takeways:

* Supply-side (cost to recreate) is ~$4.15B, but demand-side (value to firms) is $8.8T. Shows massive cost savings & productivity boost from OSS.

* If OSS didn't exist, firms would need to spend an estimated 3.5 times more on software than they currently do. OSS provides a massive, often invisible, productivity boost.

* A tiny fraction of OSS developers create the vast majority of value. Only 5% of developers are responsible for over 96% of the demand-side value

* Firms should not just "free ride" on OSS but actively contribute to the ecosystem, as this is far cheaper than recreating the software themselves.

Source:
https://www.hbs.edu/ris/Publication%20Files/24-038_51f8444f-502c-4139-8bf2-56eb4b65c58a.pdf

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The EU is introducing an energy label for phones, together with mandatory requirements for phones sold in the EU;

- 5 years of software updates (AFTER they stop selling the device in the EU)

- providing important hardware parts (during sale and for 7 years after), including free software (if needed), to every repair shop, within 5-10 business days

- batteries have to make 800 charging cycles and still be above 80% original capacity

And on top of that, phones and tablets need this energy label (which also includes a fall damage durability and repairability score), and abide by the above requirements, from 20 June 2025.

(https://energy-efficient-products.ec.europa.eu/product-list/smartphones-and-tablets_en)

@ShadowJonathan Sometimes EU does do a good thing.

Matthias Apr 26

@flesh @ShadowJonathan reminds me of this https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ptfmAY6M6aA

Patrick Stewart sketch: what has the ECHR ever done for us?

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@dakira @flesh @ShadowJonathan and this https://youtu.be/_2vufQIxLvw

People's Front Against Europe: What has the EU ever done for us?

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@stefan @dakira @ShadowJonathan For the record, I'm a progressive. I do believe the EU has brought the people and coutries under its jurisdiction many great benefits in funding, regulation and organisation.
But I'm sceptical of the EU, it's propensity to occasionally entertain regulation that would impede privacy or the general internet freedoms as well as its less than ideal record with people outside its borders.
And, like, it's basically an advanced trade agreement between global north countries, there's bound to be something horrid somewhere in an organisation like that.

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@ShadowJonathan hmmm... that's gonna be interesting

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@ShadowJonathan what a bad day to be british :( (will still affect us but still would.love the guarantee of this)

@null @ShadowJonathan come visit me in EU! move here so you can get the guarantee :3 !!!

@sodiboo @ShadowJonathan i wishhhhhhh i wanna move somewhere better

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Peter McArthur Apr 26

@sodiboo @ShadowJonathan @null Can't just do that any more. ***grr Brexit grr***

Benoît Jones Apr 27

@null @ShadowJonathan
Are you aware of the Product Regulation and Metrology Bill, which just passed? It allows the government to dynamically alter British regulations when EU regulations change. So basically we now are dynamically aligned with EU regulations including this one probably.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-10224/

Celes 🌙Apr 26

@ShadowJonathan this is genuinely cool

there's so much planned obsolescense, especially with the batteries

@ShadowJonathan Absolute BASED

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@ShadowJonathan now companies that brag about how great their phones are 24/7 will actually have to prove it

@ShadowJonathan I wonder if that will hurt availability of the Lower end handsets, esp as a lot of the oems are at the mercy of if the chipset vendor can be bothered to support the soc

Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸Apr 26

@Dragon @ShadowJonathan Chipset vendors will feel this pressure as well, which is good.

@Dragon I think prices in general will go up as these rules imply less sales (as individual phones last longer)
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@prex @ShadowJonathan that and there’s a cost to supporting it for that long

Abazigal Apr 26

@Dragon Possible that the smartphone market might just shrink to Apple, Samsung and Google? Not many companies have the resources to support their devices for that long, much less remain profitable while doing so.

Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸Apr 26

@Abazigal @Dragon Very unlikely. People often forget that selling individual parts, access to schematics, extended warranties (which make more sense if the device has a long lifetime) etc. also adds revenue. It's more of a shift in how to make business, not how much.
Additionally stuff like this strengthens the second-hand market, which in turn causes more sales in repair parts, and so on… a lot of positive dynamics.

Henk Langeveld Apr 26

@Abazigal @Dragon

I suspect my #Fairphone4 already complies with most of these requirements.

And they just lowered the price of the #fairphone5 model.

John McFarlane May 1

@hlangeveld @Abazigal @Dragon Which I'm pretty sure complies with all of it.

@Abazigal fairphone has been in business for a decade iirc selling long lasting phones, so I'm hopeful others will find a way. Easier when you're in a niche I'd say, but maybe it can be imitated
@Dragon

@Abazigal @Dragon
I think the reduced competition, higher prices, and less cheap options are all possible scenarios. One concern is that the most financially vulnerable will be exposed to risky tech on the grey market.
For everyone else, phones won’t be ‘more expensive’. They will have the right price tag for a more sustainable product. The way it should always have been.

@Abazigal @Dragon I don't really have a grasp on the hardware side, but the software requirements are trivial to fulfill with modern Android, if you take part in Google's Vendor Stable program.
95% of the work is then done by Google, without you having to do anything.

@mxk @Abazigal assuming you don’t have a binary blob from the soc vendor that they refuse to update to make compatible with newer software.

There’s already other non mobile devices such as routers that ship on older software versions due to sdk availability

@Dragon @Abazigal I work in the industry, I am dealing with ARM vendors and am painfully aware of the situation.
But the way Android today works already means that you need to use a Kernel image built by Google and that hardware support is done using vendor modules that use a stable API, not the plain Linux Kernel module API.
That way the base Kernel Image and the /system partition can be updated directly through Google and don't even need additional effort from the Manufacturer and this can't really be blocked by SOC manufacturers either.

Franchesca Apr 26

@prex @Dragon @ShadowJonathan I already don’t buy a new phone more frequently than every 6 years, and I would go longer if I could. This is great!

@prex @Dragon @ShadowJonathan well, this is good if that’s the case. Less stuff in the landfills

The Penguin of Evil Apr 26

@prex @Dragon @ShadowJonathan That would be the point in part. Less e-waste. Long lasting devices also mean that the people who want the new cool one are handing on a second hand device with a lot of life left.

engineer Apr 26

@Dragon @ShadowJonathan Samsung is selling A16 for 130€ with 6 years of support, so it is possible.
Bunch of 6-7y old phones have LineageOS 22 (Android 15) build, but OEMs stopped supporting them years ago. Some companies like HMD have 5y for business users only (2y for standard models) even though hardware and software are the same.
Maybe these new regulations will put pressure on OEMs who are selling bad products, but it could actually make it easier (and cheaper) for those who already invest in repairability and/or longer support.

@Dragon @ShadowJonathan but LCC will be higher for low end phones and lower for higher end ones.

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@ShadowJonathan I’m impressed! Now next up, the EU will mandate each phone to have a constant connection to police servers or something insane like that

@yassie_j @ShadowJonathan one bad policy to balance each good one. Can't be too based after all

Xerz 💗Apr 26

@yassie_j @ShadowJonathan I believe these regulations also go in conflict with the Batteries Regulation and meeting them allows phone manufacturers to make the batteries non-replaceable, so... there's that

♡ miss olivia ♡Apr 26

@yassie_j @ShadowJonathan

shh don't give them any ideas

madsenandersc Apr 26

@yassie_j
And they would do that because of....what, exactly? Or are you just hating on the EU because you had to endure Brexit?

The Penguin of Evil Apr 26

@yassie_j @ShadowJonathan They already do - it's called the mobile phone network.

@ShadowJonathan *spontaneously bursts into Beethoven's famous ninth symphony*

starfrost Apr 26

@ShadowJonathan Good idea

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@ShadowJonathan could go a bit further (mostly by also requiring OEMs to provide all required resources to enable the development of 3rd party OSes for their phones, as well as users to run these 3rd party OSes), but it’s undeniably a step in the right direction

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@Reiddragon i second this
@ShadowJonathan

@ShadowJonathan fortunatly aliexpress still will sell us cheap phones.

@ShadowJonathan Nice. But no wonder the tech bros want to get rid of the EU.

CyberFrog Apr 26

@deBaer @ShadowJonathan actual technology regulation? gasp

say it ain't so

LP🔸Dont let the night be over Apr 27

@deBaer @ShadowJonathan GDPR and DMA already did that. There's a reason all the big tech companies funded the ascent of the current American administration. Capitalism wants a labor base of desperate, broken people, with no rights.

@ShadowJonathan some will leave the #eu market #phone

@muzicofiel Good. Getting the trash out at the same time sounds like a win :D

@max @muzicofiel I doubt they will leave the EU market. 500 million consumers…

@muzicofiel @ShadowJonathan yep. The crappy anti-consumer ones.
That will leave more market share for more ethical and better suppliers.

Juan Games Apr 26

@ShadowJonathan niiiice, I hate how my phone stopped software support after only 3y and 9 months.

FediThing 🏳️‍🌈Apr 26

@ShadowJonathan

Perhaps credit needs to also go to #Fairphone as they proved these could be done even by a tiny company with few resources. It showed that the excuses made by larger companies were untrue.

Hey @WeAreFairphone did you see this?

Nibor4000 🇬🇧 Ⓥ Apr 26

@FediThing @ShadowJonathan @WeAreFairphone
In the UK, reading this on my Fairphone, scrolling to see if anyone mentions Fairphone. 😄

@FediThing @ShadowJonathan @WeAreFairphone Just based on the image of the label, I think the the FP5 would score “badly”.

FediThing 🏳️‍🌈Apr 26

@ShadowJonathan

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@ShadowJonathan Too bad companies are prolly going to outplay this again by making the tools and replacement parts horribly expensive.

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@ShadowJonathan Meanwhile, in the US...

Perplexity CEO says its browser will track everything users do online to sell ‘hyper personalized’ ads
https://techcrunch.com/2025/04/24/perplexity-ceo-says-its-browser-will-track-everything-users-do-online-to-sell-hyper-personalized-ads/

Perplexity CEO says its browser will track everything users do online to sell 'hyper personalized' ads | TechCrunch

Perplexity is building its own browser is to collect data on everything users do outside of its own app to sell ads.

TechCrunch

eww, no, whyyyy

@catsalad @ShadowJonathan

@catsalad @ShadowJonathan That guy looks like the most techbro any techbro has ever techbro'd.