“gIvE kIdS tHeIr cHiLdHoOd BaCk”

so… you mean fund recreation centres and out of school activities? NO

sports clubs and increasingly walkable cities? HAHA NO

playgrounds, green spaces, skate parks, libraries, any non-commercial spaces where kids don’t have to pay to exist? WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

oh… enforce realistic safety standards for urban SUVs and light trucks? WHAT HAS THAT EVEN GOT TO DO WITH THE PRICE OF EGGS?

so how exactly does one give kids their childhood back? BAN SNAPCHAT TIKTOK AND INSTAGRAM

oh… what about 4chan or stormfront or kiwifarms? DON’T BE OBTUSE WE CAN’T BAN THOSE HOW WOULD THAT EVEN WORK??!?

@ptoothfish I agree so hard with this that it hurts my teeth
@ptoothfish Oh, to know for sure just who is behind this worldwide push to ban kids from Meta platforms, etc. Aside from forcing parents to hand over a tonne of info...which most won't do, anyway...that just leaves the dim ones who agree with the policy.

@ptoothfish

And the kids that have made friends from all over the world on social media,because people don't care if they are disabled, or what they look like. Unlike the kids that bully them at school.

Us introverts, who found it hard to talk to people, but thrive with a keyboard and that extra time to create the right sentences?

Or the rural kids, that don't have friends nearby?

Or the kids that have family overseas or far away, that they were keeping in touch with via social media?

Or kids that get information in their native language and follow events in their home countries.

The kids running businesses on social media, gaining life skills?

Or the kids following their heros, gaining information, having mental health and other medical organisations they can easily reach out to?

Kids taking leadership and running environmental, social, volunteer groups, promoting their bands, running events, and coaching others?

Adults making decisions have no idea how kids use social media, let alone how it benifits or harms them.

The Australian u16 ban was pushed by an advertising company and 32 global brands.

Did not care about kids, just wanted them back watching tv and radio, so they could consume advertising they controled.

They also owned AI age verification software to sell.

https://www.crikey.com.au/2025/12/09/36-months-teen-social-media-ban-big-tech-brands/

‘Everyone got paid’: How Wippa’s pro-teen social media ban group cashed in on its success

36 Months accused ban critics of being paid off by big tech. Meanwhile, it was lining up sponsorship deals, eyeing global expansion and coming up with its own AI tool to sell.

Crikey

@ptoothfish

It makes an incredulous old bastard like myself suspect that this really isn't about nurturing and protecting children at all.

If I was cynical, I'd say that Zuck and Meta and Microsoft want to know exactly who's clicking so they can charge more for targeted advertising and that local, state, and federal cops want even more specific results to their subpoenas.

@grumble209

Australian ban was pushed by a radio station, large advertising company and 32 global partner companies.

Want kids off their mobile screens and back to radio and tv, so they can consume advertising they control.

Also own AI age verification tools and ai ban statistics to sell.

Hence they are now pushing global.

Nothing about protecting kids.

https://www.crikey.com.au/2025/12/09/36-months-teen-social-media-ban-big-tech-brands/

‘Everyone got paid’: How Wippa’s pro-teen social media ban group cashed in on its success

36 Months accused ban critics of being paid off by big tech. Meanwhile, it was lining up sponsorship deals, eyeing global expansion and coming up with its own AI tool to sell.

Crikey
@ptoothfish I dont see how a social media ban will protect anyone. In the end it will be a mess. I miss the time politics did pragmatic things to solve problems. Did an analysis of the situation and just solved the problem. Can't we have some scientist like mathematicians fight with sociologists or psychologists on what is the best and after the found the best solution we just do it? Like a combination of natural and social science to found what would benefit everyone and help
@ptoothfish
"bans never work" crowd loves banning things they don't like... somebody should look into that

@ptoothfish
Also whatever children1 didn't have, and whatever is to be thrust upon children2, will be affecting different children.
If there were notional children0 they grew up into world1 not into the world3 that children2 are heading towards.

And world3 already seems to have substantial differences from previous ones.

@ptoothfish Roblox also startlingly absent from the Australian legislation.
@ptoothfish I dunno man, Facebook Twitter and so on are pretty toxic companies, I don't hate exposing less people to those assholes.
@mu it's about fake actions instead of giving kids what they really need, duh. @ptoothfish
@funbaker @mu @ptoothfish It's notable that these bans are targeted at kids specifically, these sites harm adults too. Why can't they make the platforms safer for everyone?
@brib @funbaker @ptoothfish absolutely correct, but I don't mind making progress in steps instead of all at once.
@funbaker @ptoothfish I mean, I think everyone needs less Facebook and Instagram?
@mu Me too. Rather than banning kids, instead if we made the social media companies responsible for cleaning themselves up then all ages would be saved the toxic behaviour of the vocal few on these platforms. @ptoothfish

@Niall @mu @ptoothfish

We can never trust the social media companies to clean themselves up, they will always do everything in their power to be evil.

Thus we need actual regulations:

1) Mandate that all content algorithms must be published, making them subject to independent review

2) Hold social media companies legally responsible for the content pushed by their algorithms by removing the safe harbour provisions so many countries enacted in the early days of the internet. Those provisions shield social media companies from liability for the content their algorithms push. Any content pushed by an algorithm should be considered published by the social media company and it should be held fully liable.

@RantingCanuck @Niall @ptoothfish O think this is a great idea, maybe the age ban thing is one step in convincing the big social media companies that governments are serious about it?

@mu @Niall @ptoothfish

The under 16 bans are beneficial to the big social media companies. There is little economic value in their under 16 users but huge value if they can start asking everyone for ID (thus giving them even more accurate profiles).

@RantingCanuck @Niall @ptoothfish you think getting IDs will give them something they don't already have?
@mu @ptoothfish Yes and they know it, but they and their political tools are pushing age limits because they don't want laws passed to make social media safe for people as it would damage their revenue.
It's the cigarette company "it's ok if its a dangerous addictive drug and you just ban children using it" trick, and I'd like to say the politicians fell for it, but they are so in bed with the techbros in the UK that they are probably totally aware of the script.

@etchedpixels @ptoothfish your don't think fewer kids on these platforms will make those kids safer?

I think it probably will average out to safer kids

@mu @etchedpixels they should ban the whole platform
none of these half measures

@ptoothfish @mu @etchedpixels fewer kids, fewer elders, fewer citizens should be exposed to social media algorithms

that said, if ID verification means zero bots and fewer sock puppets, then it will make the algorithms safer

@ptoothfish @etchedpixels they absolutely should.

At the same time, I don't want perfect to be the enemy of the good.

@mu @ptoothfish The kids will end up in the places they are not banned, which will be the small spots, the unwatched places, the darker corners of the internet.

And the adults will still be suffering from deliberately addictive technology.

@etchedpixels @ptoothfish I've seen this said a lot, but it feels like a slippery slope fallacy.

Besides, if something unexpected like that happens, it's possible for laws to change again. I don't expect this one law to be where things stop

@ptoothfish they are jailing kids digitally. Uninformed. Indoctrinated by Murdoch et al. In 18 years time we will have questions like "what are trans people?"
@ptoothfish @janeishly "give children some sense and hope that life might actually get better?" "HOW WOULD THIS GENERATE SHAREHOLDER VALUE"

@ptoothfish

A school teacher and I think it was Michigan made her class tech free for half the year because she had grown tired, constantly fighting the distractions of mobile devices texting the plagiarism so on and so forth.

So she would collect all the phones the kids had conduct the class with paper and pencil. It was an AP English class.

The kids loved it. They loved the ability to focus and to interact with each other instead of the phones.

@GhostOnTheHalfShell @ptoothfish That's nice, but we're not talking about school here where they shouldn't be using phones, it's about the remainder of the time.

Modern kids are not going to be sending each other letters, and they're unlikely to be using phone calls either. You can't send memes over voice.

@ptoothfish it is enraging. They “can’t” ban the sites that radicalise men, they “can’t” force Meta to ban eg r-pe groups and “how to m-rd-r your wife/partner and get away with it” groups, but I get banned because I won’t give rando companies govt ID that can be used for identity theft, I can’t do 2-factor authentication, so I’m gradually being frozen out of the online world. I worry that I won’t be able to function online without assistance within months or a few years.

@ptoothfish I dunno I see walkable cities green spaces etc being funded where I am.

Also much stricter on speed limits and clean air than used to be making roads safer. Many roads near us are pedestrianised. Lots of anger from car drivers but safer for kids to play.

@ptoothfish If kids now had the childhoods of gen X and elder millennials, the people calling to a return to innocent years that never existed would be calling them thugs running amok, and for long prison terms for shoplifting and vandalism.

The loudest people shouting for this lived blessed suburban or countryside childhoods, with lots of green spaces and horse riding lessons, they never experienced the city childhood, where schoolyards were tarmac and playgrounds and football fields were sold off and built on, while kids were left with brown field sites, bombed out buildings to play in that were never rebuilt, rotting spaces that used to be factories or train tracks, or used to be home to prefabs that still had the concete based amid the scrub. Places where the ground crunched with hidden glass that we were told not to play, but went because there was nothing else, the parks were sold so the only other option was to play on the roads where we'd suck in leaded exhaust fumes from passing cars and be subjected to unearned hostility, shouts of abuse for being too loud from boomers without kids. And then there are the absentee parents, working long hours, needing us to have house keys as kids were released at half three and parents at five, or later, leaving them fending for themselves...

@ptoothfish +let parents work less (if its a couple each work half work day) for the same payroll so they can spend time with their kids, educating them about the world and monitoring what they do??? no, it's the women's fault for starting to work and "giving up on their family"
@ptoothfish 4chan is antisocial media so it's clearly not covered ;)
@ptoothfish I think it’s funny because grown adults love nostalgia media like Stranger Things where kids ride their bikes around to run errands and play with their friends, attend city events, but when you propose some type of implementation of that for their kids - safe bikeable /walkable streets where kids don’t need parents to drive them everywhere, lots of public activities, clubs, they reject it all with RAGE
@ptoothfish I mean, it's not like they didn't try to ban 4chan. It just turns out an american company operating in america doesn't have to follow our joke laws. Our genocide-supporting gov keep sending unenforceable fines abroad and getting laughed at.
@kneoghau @ptoothfish No government has ever seriously tried to ban 4chan. They'd rather keep it around for ops, informants, kompromat, etc.
@ptoothfish The sad thing is I was thinking about this just yesterday. My son was playing football at the park, a bunch of teenagers were playing basket ball, all for free. And it struc me that they were doing it for free, no-one was charging them entry or anything else. They were just there, hanging out, not on screens, being friends, for fun. And I thought, "Some tossers are probably looking at this desperate for a way to commodify or restrict it."
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"We're banning social media for people under 16. They'll be free from bullying and predatory practices designed to harm them to socialise in the real world." So you're going to build more parks and other third spaces for them to hang out in instead? "Well, no, bu--" Oh, so you're going to provide more funding to school counselors and anti-bullying programmes so they don't face the harms they faced online in the building they are mandated by law to go to? "..." Please tell me you're at least using the funds you think this will save you to hire more staff for handling child abuse cases and improving care conditions if the parents are so abusive as to be unfit parents now that those children don't have an escape from it. "Parents rights?"

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@ptoothfish These ghouls' idea of childhood is being in a padded cell deprived of any access to information other than what big daddy Keir Starmer wants to feed them. Yes, literally. That's how they think.
@ptoothfish You know, the DOW is over 50,000. That's what our children should focus on.
@ptoothfish ok but what if we did like all of these
@lycansubscribe then i bet we couldn’t even trick kids into using social media, the world would be a perpetual 1980s dream sequence, kids wholesomely playing outside until the streetlights come on, two channels on the television, the omnipresent threat of thermonuclear annihilation
@ptoothfish no like including banning all those websites

@ptoothfish this is so much more articulate than me just shouting about how stupid it is.

Going to store this in long term memory as a point of discussion when someone takes a moderate uninformed position and attempts to agree that it is a good idea to censor the internet "for the kids"