SelzeroThe USA is being run by idiots, and some people want to import the nonsense here.
dissident@selzero Let the fools drink raw milk, bleach, and anything else that might at least remove them from the gene pool, and at best arranges them a swift appointment with St Peter.
RythurThe problem is that they'll eventually poison YOU with bleach, in the name of virtue and honor, like complete morons do.
Nazo@rythur @dissident @selzero Worse, they not only poison the rest of us, they poison their own innocent children first.
@nazokiyoubinbou @dissident @selzero
Amen to this. Even if pertaining only their mind!
Noodlemaz@dissident @selzero the problem is they're promoting it so people who don't know better are e.g. feeding it to kids, who have no choice.
And some of them die.
It's not their fault. This is what government is meant to prevent, not profit from.
And some of them die.
It's not their fault. This is what government is meant to prevent, not profit from.
HappyCrow13@noodlemaz @dissident @selzero The majority of these people know better, or should if they stayed awake at all in school or learned basic food hygiene. They're the same kind that refuse vaccines cuz it contains mercury and dead viruses. It sounds scary so they refuse to learn about it or accept they're wrong.
I hate it for the kids. Stupidity hurts everyone
I hate it for the kids. Stupidity hurts everyone
@HappyCrow13 @dissident @selzero it's still not up to individuals to fight every kind of misinformation alone. That it now comes from the US government and all manner of quacks are legimitised is a major public health crisis. And not just for that country.
@noodlemaz @dissident @selzero People have been distrusting doctors and the government for years I get why. Fighting misinformation only works if you're willing to accept you're wrong which these types of people aren't or they 'know better'
In the US at least it's up to the individual to use common sense. Most of us learn basic germ theory in school, why we pasturize dairy and don't drink or swim in bad water. We even learn the basic of vaccines.
There is no excuse for this stupidity not anymore
In the US at least it's up to the individual to use common sense. Most of us learn basic germ theory in school, why we pasturize dairy and don't drink or swim in bad water. We even learn the basic of vaccines.
There is no excuse for this stupidity not anymore
@HappyCrow13 @dissident @selzero to be fair in the US, doctors/medicine and private companies are so entwined, it's not entirely unreasonable to distrust.
Especially if you're not a white, able-bodied straight man. Medicine is great at marginalising a lot of people and making things worse.
So it makes sense people look to 'alternatives', even though they're so often total shit and even worse, and also a før-profit grift.
So again, we need effective regulation. Not govt that is captured by - and made up of - those self same grifters.
@noodlemaz @dissident @selzero I totally agree about the government and doctors I agree why folks look for alternatives
I don't agree on excusing blatent stupidity. It's one thing to look for alternatives it's another to completely dismiss everyone telling you don't do something like drink raw milk or horse dewormer to cure COVID cuz they disagree with your 'research'
Excusing stupidity is making everything worse. It's past time holding everyone accountable for this shit citizens and government
I don't agree on excusing blatent stupidity. It's one thing to look for alternatives it's another to completely dismiss everyone telling you don't do something like drink raw milk or horse dewormer to cure COVID cuz they disagree with your 'research'
Excusing stupidity is making everything worse. It's past time holding everyone accountable for this shit citizens and government
@noodlemaz @dissident @selzero I grew up surrounded by these kinds of people. They're not ignorant they're stubborn and stupid. Mostly stupid. They feel superior cuz they don't follow Big Whatever (except when it suits them). All this raw milk BS is very 'I lived thru it it's fine' (It ranging from beating kids to not vaxing them to consuming dangerous foods)
We as a nation are very stupid and selfish. It's painful to see
We as a nation are very stupid and selfish. It's painful to see
@HappyCrow13 @dissident @selzero I mean, define stupid?*
Sure some people are easy to hate and dismiss and call names.
But that means we need these systems even more. Because those people convince other people.
People are persuaded by stories and emotion, not facts and data. We know this. Grifters are better at it. People are susceptible. It's not an either/or, are you 'stupid' or not. People come back from these thought processes, and everyone is prone to conspiracy. It's part of how our minds work.
It's worth thinking about.
We should always strive to blame the grifters, not the victims. However judgmental we want to be about them.
*https://noodlemaz.wordpress.com/2021/09/22/problems-with-stupid/ (apologies if broken links/images)
@noodlemaz @dissident @selzero I define stupid as unwilling to learn, unwilling to be wrong and ignoring things that disagree with you or your world view. Blindly following someone because they're in charge or part of your in group. Assuming you're smarter or the exception in every situation
Personal responsibility is a thing too Education and support can only do so much when people think they're never wrong and refuse to change
@noodlemaz @dissident @selzero Also I do blame the grifters. I blame people supporting them too
Emotions and stories don't work when you can't accept anything outside your PoV
That's the crux of my gripe. Unwillingness for anything outside of your scope
Too many people refuse to let go of whatever superiority they think they have over other people. I'm tired of letting people get away with it, tired of it literally killing people
Emotions and stories don't work when you can't accept anything outside your PoV
That's the crux of my gripe. Unwillingness for anything outside of your scope
Too many people refuse to let go of whatever superiority they think they have over other people. I'm tired of letting people get away with it, tired of it literally killing people
@HappyCrow13 @dissident @selzero on the last, I totally agree. The FDA etc used to kind of have some teeth and would 'help stamp out quackery'. But it becane too good a business. Now there's a chiropractor on every corner and everyone's giving health advice, shops have a full woo section and it's just... Normal.
It's not that much better here.
It's not that much better here.
cliffordheath@dissident @selzero It's not St Peter they'll be meeting
LukefromDC
Jonas Stettner@dissident @selzero I'd like to advertise not using facist language ("removing from gene pool") against facists
GrumpyDad 🇺🇦🇵🇸@selzero When it comes to the US I suggest realizing the old joke about removing the warning labels off everything and let the problem sort itself out.
Gareth 🏴
Su_G@gareth
Yes, same. The parents are candidates for Darwin Awards but their children shouldn’t have to pay that price. 🫤
@grumpydad @selzero again this view ignores the fact that it's vulnerable people (children, mostly) who end up hurt the most, or killed, while these arseholes just rake in more cash.
It does not sort itself out. That's how government and regulation is meant to step in and work.
vampirdaddyThe problem is less the raw milk than the treatment/transport. Drink uncooled within 15 minutes of milking, when instantly cooled: on the same day. Do not swap containers more than 2-3 times.
Which basically means: only available next to the barn the cows are milked in.
Morgan PeyreYou can still get brucellosis that way.
Over here Brucellosis has been eradicated since ~40 years. There still is periodic screening mandated by law, just to be sure.
But thanks for the warning.
Reddog@vampirdaddy @peyremorgan @selzero Farm near my in-laws in Bavarian was selling raw milk, up to a few years ago ( last time i was by the farm ) Not for milk, may I add.
Tony Hoyle@peyremorgan @vampirdaddy @selzero I was raised on raw milk from a 'brucellosis accredited herd' at least that's what it said on the bottle.
Not sure I'd do it today.. the small dairies that existed when I grew up don't exist any more, it's all industrial.
@vampirdaddy @selzero drinking shit-flecked milk straight from the cow is still bad news.
If there is dirt in the milk (or on the udder) then I'd avoid the rancher and their products regardless of raw or cooked.
@vampirdaddy @selzero have you... Met cows?
Herded, fed, cleaned (the bedding in the cowshed, the animal, the udder thoroughly before each and every milking), milked (machine and by hand).
Two of my uncles were farmers...
mbpazManually and (more often) with machine. But never without thoroughly cleaning the udder before so.
@vampirdaddy @noodlemaz @selzero Nice to speak with people who do not speak lightly, then.
Thoroughly cleaning udder and machine removes most bacteria and fungi. Most, not all. They are in every crack in udder skin - and in the air.
Thoroughly cleaning udder and machine removes most bacteria and fungi. Most, not all. They are in every crack in udder skin - and in the air.
They are. That's why the thorough cleaning. And the minimised "good" time, instant cooling, etc. (even if the milk was not sold raw).
Milk from bloody/inflamed udders or ill cows was separated and discarded or treated separately.
My uncles seriously enforced these basic hygiene rules. Against repeat offenders ... sometimes also forcefully.
DaveyYeah, I grew up on the stuff, in a way that worked fine.
The people pushing the craze in the US seem to be the most cynical people alive and I can only imagine how that translates to their practices.
Melissa BearTrix
🇨🇦Weird Foodie🏴@selzero Good for the lawmakers. It serves them right for being so "smart".
Arkadii
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w1ntermute@selzero is this something from 2016? Or why does the URL state that.
Pomegranate_Stew@MaSven @selzero
It is an older article from when these anti-pasteurization laws were first put into place. Here’s a newer one as well. Drinking unpasteurized milk is a very bad idea.
https://www.propublica.org/article/mark-mcafee-raw-milk-recalls-maha
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TBH To Be Honest@selzero
Entertaining, but just an old meme from 2017.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/lawmakers-drink-raw-milk-get-sick/
Randulo.com (Randy)
bit@selzero Not idiots. They didn't drink raw milk because they are stupid. They did it because there is a good chance it will gather the support of stupid people, which are plentiful and easy to manipulate with anti science populist BS. They take these chances with their health and everyone else's because they are risk indifferent, power seeking sociopaths.
Natasha
HumanBeing@selzero The goal of this idiocy is not to do intelligent anything. The goal is to show democracy is so bad and rigged that authoritarianism of any form has got to be better. The goal also appears to "decrease the surplus population" (disabled, people of color, women, people not from this country and the list is endless and they're all lies). Look stupid so people think you are. Pfft, who needs democracy.
In 2010, russel vought told the g.o.p. NOT to elect leaders. They didn't.
Ria Price
Angie
Sharon McCarthy@selzero Fell ill? More like intentional food poisoning - making sure the poison exits the body as quickly and violently possible through any orifice it can - hope they had fun!
🟥 Eveline Sulman 🇳🇱🇪🇺🇺🇦@selzero run by idiots, but some are more idiot than others...🙄
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