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https://habr.com/ru/news/1042832/
https://habr.com/ru/news/1043988/
Вот и приехали. Хочешь общаться в #DeltaChat при белых списках — плати деньги.
https://habr.com/ru/news/1042832/
https://habr.com/ru/news/1043988/
@Milk31 @cybertailor Many people have the material or money now, so it's a combination of all these things...
+ not using banks
+ trusting others
+ will-power.
The lack of seeing the positives, stops people investing in 100's here / giving time / #trust #etc...
Yes people are also VERY tired jumping into jobs all day + paying rent [forces a time debt / ignorance in other areas of life] but instead of watching films or talking about Trump on #Mastodon, they could try me or you to do better! :)
@Milk31 @cybertailor Messages also depend on the receiver:
If you don't understand then I'd like you to put re-phrase your question better and to what you don't understand about simple equations that I said is needed:
[this + this + this] = more than just money and material needed.
In 1 word summary it's about "will-power" mainly, not just money -
Many don't have the "will" like a missing skill and risk nothing but writing only shorter sentences or conversation or never want to spend time.
@collective_truth ебать чел ты меня "унизил" пойду "плакать"
*плак-плак🤣
@Milk31 The simple 1+1+1 list is self-evident of your understanding. No need to cry.
It's my experience that your part of the world (and similar) are often inexperienced in 'advanced' communication, understanding and depth to life.
We just have to accept that inexperience coming from different regions and levels of teaching / practice / experience there. Thanks. Here's a hanky.
@collective_truth 1)чел это что за принижение по территориальному признаку это тебя показывает не с лучшей стороны, есть в психологии такая вещь как проекция, ты сейчас свои недостатки проецируешь на нас
2) ты на нашей территории не жил так что не надо тут советовать всякое, например отказался от банков, дело в том что русскую почту которая нужна для обхода белых списков нельзя оплатить криптовалютой,
3) любое государство это прикрытие для бандитов, просто в некоторых плохо скрывают это
@vazinoc I'm agree with you on the belittling - and I think
1/ it's measurable deserved from the person's own response which was too quick / erratic / evidently indicating their level.
ok it's not the whole story or best response by me but you have to see that as big signal of their mindset being here and partially reflect where they are despite all we see - again not the whole story or totally their fault but measurably they choose that response.
@vazinoc Now as to the region:
I have friends, many types, traveled all the world & from those experiences (yes limited compared to #natives) I can say there is a lack of travel, less #mix of #nations, lack of #emotion/#empathy, inexperience in emotional intelligence etc. #Slavic
Western side were also crap at this 20years ago perhaps before it was made into a business model like #telephone #support or code of #conduct in offices (I'm not sure you have these even today).
It's measurable.
Also from the passport control perspective, people couldn't / CAN'T / DIDN'T WANT TO travel to get experience.
And the huge land mass and regions are like coming from Kazakhstan or Mongolia where there is almost only 1 type of people / race / mentality around (nothing else #cosmopolitan).
Measurable.
@vazinoc
So while Russia (or whoever you want to look at) is different in last 10-20 years, these strict controls + lack of foreigners = people who never saw or talked to a black or Japanese person before - it's measurable.
I've asked them "how many have you met XYZ"... "0 / none!"
In EU villages it still can be like this 'never see that before' thing so not just Eastern countries with villagers / basic life / unmixed populations.
@vazinoc
Like seeing a new animal it's normal to laugh and say "what type of human is that- haha" or "caring?!? haha' it's just new and instinctively people have to react - same with online - it can be seen as being a weak / gay etc because it's just new to some types or not on their narrow mission list (food money beer etc)
Even if all people things they 'care'.
This care is different.
I appreciated your listing of things and control in explaining - I will think about it.
I appreciated your reply and the control in explaining it in numbered points.
I will have a look and think about it.
Overall I hope you can see it's measurable as "my experience" (not perfect but can be measured) or by systematic / cultural restrictions made by countries.
It's not 100% fault of people but we do need more empathy, communication skills etc in all #cultures.
Since World #Wars many things didn't change / just aesthetics covering what seems backward compared to now.
@vazinoc Agree:
3/ Any state is a cover for bandits, just some of them hide it badly.
Agree:
4/ Banks need to be used (to some level). Yes as they want to keep their #monopoly and #restrict - but eventually we have to get out of that system of devaluation (loans devalue all existing money + they use your savings behind your back to lend to both side of #war as a #profit business).
Agree on last post.
If I missed any specific points, please let me know as I go to do some gardening.
@collective_truth я не все понял что вы сказали, из за плохого встроенного переводчика, могу сказать что чёрных китайцев, и прочие народы можно увидеть в РФ и Украине, приходят учится или работать, так что вы тут воюще не правы, тем более вв забываете что россия это Федерация, тоесть там очень много народов живёт, и это в СССР как раз придумали "дружбу народов" в РФ вообще нацизма и национальных движений нет
Вас дезинформировали, если я правильно понял что вы написали
@vazinoc Ok yes I see the translator is a factor here - but let's say you're also right it's not as bad as I say - think still going back 10 / 20 years makes it drastically different or the similar.
- People who come to work or study is probably a newer thing / a program. These are mostly imported as a monetary exchange program / deal and not necessarily going to stay - not like generations in London, Paris, Milan, etc. And not anyone's fault if asked, Russia is last on most people's list.
@collective_truth я как понял вы имеете ввиду что тут иностранцы не остаются жить, и мы типо на последнем месте,
Ну знаете есть такая страна, саудовская аравия, там ты вообще почти никак не сможешь стать гражданином, вот там реально только для заработка денег люди едут
@vazinoc No we are just as bad anywhere else but a lot is aesthetics.
Just now the seeds of #1970's education (and before) are managing to come through the cracks in the world when it's not so sterile or shut down like maybe it is there.
Russia has exploited less the spectrum of "business" & economics as the rest.
The #slavic tendencies may never improve and is just another flavour too sterile / unemotional communicational (for my liking - which I can admit is my measured reasoning / xp).
@collective_truth чел я вообще не понимаю что это ты подразумеваешь под эстетикой, проще будь, ведь мы через переводчик говорим (я вот например могу подумать что не трогать людей из списка Эпштейна это ваша эстетика)
Ну и меньше смотри телевизор и меньше читай пропагандистских новостей, если хочешь узнать как у нас живётся лучше в дискорд сервер зайди, там тебе расскажут как тут на самом деле
@vazinoc Aesthetics = looks better from the first look or top layer but isn't. Underneath is the same corruption / methods / bad foundations.
Underneath the Aesthetics is the same as everywhere else.
(in this case Russia being the same as many countries just a bit behind)
I consider the colonial countries better in their aesthetics and slowly creeping forward in the same #wars + plans on their #population.
(e.g.) #AgeVerification as total surveillance tool / #panopticon #prison / pri$on.
@vazinoc Epstein or Terpils I don't know or think it's needed
( Our experience together here is probably enough and ranks above the distraction of US politics IF that is just another new scandal which is too distant for anyone to really say what really happened or learn something new from the previous scandals).
I appreciate the post about CIS countries - but I'm not sure how it fits into our conversation. If you want you could explain more if it's really important.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_of_Independent_States
@collective_truth про Эпштейна, дело в том что в этом списке не только люди живущие в США но и из других стран, например Европы,(я не знаю где вы живёте) и раз этих людей нигде не посадили, получается что во всех странах люди могут только терпеть, terpils= терпеть, позволять
А раз и в других странах терпят, это значит у вас тоже нет свободы, просто у вас очень хорошая пропаганда что вы сами верите что свободны, хотя это не так
Я хотя бы знаю что об этом, а вы нет
@vazinoc That seems the same old type of thing happening again in new form or just more elsewhere.
It turns out the same if people with a lot of money can be tolerated (which also means buying some 'respect' / freedom and just bribing / paying people to get things done or not done) no matter where they are or what they do.
@vazinoc Agree - that is the difference from Russia and many places, even if it's just the luck or people elsewhere who somehow has the time, space, money to study & dreams towards anti-authoritarian new world. That's the #difference.
If you and others didn't have that then saying it or admitting it is not hating on you / #Russia but just nearer the #Truth which could be from many places their own #progress or lack of progress +/-.
Is what it is. We have online & can #talk now to solve things.
@collective_truth
4) у нас криптовалюта запрещена, сейчас на моей территории купить её это целая морока, ты бы ахренел от того какие заморочки приходится делать что бы её купить
Это не как на твоей территории где тебе пока что разрешили покупать её
Но ничего и до вас это все дойдёт, теперь и VPN потихоньку начинаете пользоваться по нужде, и в интернет по паспорту будете заходить, и чип нейролинк в жопу вставите
Тогда я думаю вы возьмете свои слова назад