Without control of your food, you have no leverage. Period.

You can't strike if you can't feed your family.

You can't protest if you're spending all your waking hours finding enough to eat.

You can't build an alternative economy if you're dependent on the existing one for the most basic requirement of biological existence.

#activism #activists #solarpunk #climatecrisis #capitalism

@theloopfarm

It's odd to me, though (and I'm not accusing you of this) how many people understand this....and then propose #socialism as the solution. AKA, giving the government control of not only their food, but their power, their medical care, etc.

@AlexanderKingsbury @theloopfarm The solution need not be perfect; it need only be better than living with the problem. In a democratic government, the policy is nominally set by the people. Some will reference authoritarian socialism, when people are actually asking for democratic socialism. The former is more similar to the authoritarian hierarchy of capitalist corporations than the latter. And to HOAs. If you dislike authoritarian socialism, don't live in American-style HOAs.

@log @theloopfarm

The problem with democracy (which, to be clear, is a system I support) is that it relies on the people to make the decisions. Which works out fine...IF the bulk of people are principled, honest, reasonably educated, etc. But precious few people right now fit that description. Just as one example, I have yet to encounter a single anti-capitalist on this platform that can manage to have an honest, mutually respectful discussion on the matter.

If you've never found anyone who respects you, that... might be a "you" thing.

If you've never treated anyone with respect, that's definitely a "you" thing.

@cy

Plenty of people respect me. I notice you feel the need to totally ignore significant parts of what I've said. Getting back to that whole "honesty" thing.

I wasn't ignoring it, just didn't have anything to say about it. The only problem I saw was when you said "I have yet to encounter a single ___." That's Socrates level thinking, and nobody benefits from walking in the footsteps of that asshole.

@cy

Of course you ignored it. I never said anything even remotely resembling "no one respects me"; that is something you can extract from my words only if you are being deeply dishonest and ignoring the meaning of my statements.

I haven't even made any claims that could be false! I'm just saying when every single anti-capitalist you meet is dishonest, and disrespectful, you might want to consider that you might be reading things wrong, or have biases that cloud your judgement.

@cy

@AlexanderKingsbury literally thinks the dictionary is a ministry of truth. For some reason, he thinks words can't have more precise or different definitions in technical or philosophical contexts.

@jlou @cy

More lies, but that's about all I expect from @jlou.

RE: https://mastodon.social/@AlexanderKingsbury/116572107005431380

@AlexanderKingsbury @cy Here is an example of you doing what I asserted you do.

@jlou @cy

An example of something entirely different. I never said anything even remotely resembling "words can't have more precise or different definitions in technical or philosophical contexts". I use words with different definitions than are found in the dictionary for technical reasons every day professionally. That's entirely different from what people like you do, AKA contrive definitions to serve their own ends without any sound justification.

Again, you are a liar. Have a nice day.

@AlexanderKingsbury @cy Anti-capitalists have ample historical justification and tradition for using the term, "capitalism," the way they do. The idea that capitalism is completely unregulated markets is a definition used in the right libertarian community, but there is no reason to interpret the word capitalism in that sense outside of such a context.
@jlou @AlexanderKingsbury @[email protected] markets and trade exist just fine without capitalism. They have for thousands of years. The overrun of capitalism isn't required for markets and trade.
@theloopfarm I’m a pro-market anti-capitalist, so I agree.

@cy

You're shifting all over the place.

"If you've never found anyone who respects you"

"when every single anti-capitalist you meet is dishonest, and disrespectful"

At least with the second one, you managed to more accurately reflect my claims.

Sure, well, I've said my piece.

@cy

Yes, you certainly have.