The horror of Age Verification is
arriving in Canada 🚨🇨🇦

Contact your federal MP and the office of the Prime Minister this week to tell them you strongly oppose the privacy-destroying and inefficient measure.

The time to push back is NOW: https://globalnews.ca/news/11797286/liberal-party-adopts-motion-social-media-ban-kids/

'Prime Minister Mark Carney said last month that the idea “merits an open and considered debate in Canada,” although he does not have a settled view on it yet and said there were good points on both sides.'

Share educational resources with them on the dangers of Age Verification: https://www.eff.org/age

We do NOT want this nightmare in Canada. Fight back for your privacy rights! ✊🔒

#AgeVerification #Privacy #DigitalRights #HumanRights #MassSurveillance #Canada #CanPoli #CndPol

Liberal party adopts motion to ban kids under 16 from social media

Federal Liberals voted in favour of setting 16 as the age of majority for Canadians to be able to use social media accounts.

Global News
Mandatory age verification risks creating massive privacy vulnerabilities and could expose sensitive personal data. Protecting kids online is important, but blanket surveillance measures are not the answer.
@Em0nM4stodon ban o. Social media for under 16s is good.

@robriley Unfortunately, a social media ban is not good.

What this truly means, is requiring every adult using social media to provide official ID to a for-profit third-party company who will inevitably leak it or use it. This is really bad for users' safety. Breaches like this have already happened.

Additionally, it makes every account attached to a legal identity, allowing governments full control and censorship over their critics and opposition. It also endangers the most vulnerable and marginalized groups online, especially people of colour and the LGBTQ+ community. Age Verification leads to horrible outcomes for democracy, and for society as a whole. Moreover, it does not end up protecting the children. This is sadly only used as an excuse to convince people who are misinformed.

I invite you to read more on this topic using this excellent resource prepared by EFF: https://www.eff.org/age

Age Verification and Age Gating: Resource Hub

Age verification (or age-gating) laws generally require online services to check, estimate, or verify all users’ ages—often through invasive tools like ID checks, biometric scans, or other dubious “age estimation” methods—before granting them access to certain online content or services.  Governments in the U.S. and around the world are increasingly adopting these restrictive measures in the name of protecting children online. But in practice, these systems create dangerous new forms of surveillance, censorship, and exclusion.  Technologically, the age verification process can take many forms: collection and analysis of government ID, biometric scans, algorithmic or AI-based behavioral or user monitoring, digital ID, the list goes on. But no matter the method, every system demands users hand over sensitive and immutable personal information that links their offline identity to their online activity. Once that valuable data is collected, it can easily be leaked, hacked, or misused. (Indeed, we’ve already seen several breaches of age verification providers.) EFF has long warned against age-gating the internet. Age verification technology itself is often inaccurate and privacy-invasive. These restrictive mandates strike at the foundation of the free and open internet. They are tools of censorship, used to block people from viewing or sharing information that the government deems “harmful” or “offensive.” And they create surveillance systems that critically undermine online privacy, chill access to vital online communities and resources, and burden the expressive rights of adults and young people alike. EFF.org/Age: A Resource to Empower Users Age-gating mandates are reshaping the internet in ways that are invasive, dangerous, and deeply unnecessary. But users are not powerless! We can challenge these laws, protect our digital rights, and build a safer digital world for all internet users, no matter their ages. This resource hub is here to help—so explore, share, and join us in the fight for a better internet.

Electronic Frontier Foundation
@Em0nM4stodon @robriley meshtastic - not a universal answer but a useful local one. And less than $30 so...

@robriley

Age verification is not a "good idea" for anyone.
It doesn't stop youngsters from accessing ' illegal" sites, they will find a way around it, but what these laws do accomplish is:

- Everyone, including you, will have to upload their official ID on the internet, thus exposing all *your* personal information to hackers via data leaks.

*Your ID* can then be used to do all sorts of fraudulent activities, and *you* will be responsible for untangling the mess -- it will take years , plus you will be forced to pay out all legal fees, not the website or the government.

Additionally, because the government can monitor every keystroke from your computer or other device, you could be penalized for your opinion....not to mention I don't want to live in a dictatorship like North Korea, China, or Russia --censorship is terrible for democracy.

-kids will learn how to become 'hackers' in order to circumvent law so, I ask you how does this improve the life of children or yourself?

@Em0nM4stodon

@robriley @Em0nM4stodon kids will just find a way around it, they always do.

@robriley @Em0nM4stodon It’s an incredibly myopic position that entirely ignores the root cause of the problem and shifts the blame to kids (who incidentally have little to no representation in Canadian politics and therefore present an excellent vector for introduction of draconian laws).

Whereas the problem lies *entirely* with the business model of attention harvesting with surveillance-based advertising at its base. The latter is not only a dumpster fire of privacy violations but the tools to support it are also profoundly anti-democratic; the whole thing should not be regulated but destroyed outright.

So, no, we should see this drive for age verification for what it is — an attempt to tie every user on the internet to a strong identity, a base for enabling mass-surveillance and mass-censorship.

@SnowyCA @robriley @Em0nM4stodon The MP who introduced the legislation? (proposal?, not sure) said something along the lines of “a lot of kids I talked to are supportive of the idea”, and this sounds as fake as plastic Christmas trees.

@wbftw @robriley @Em0nM4stodon

I nearly choked on a mouthful of water while reading "a lot of kids I talked to..."
The first time I read that line I thought, "Which kids? Ones in pre- school who will agree with anything if you offer a piece of candy?"

@wbftw @robriley @Em0nM4stodon Spot on - same bs going down in the UK - people don't seem to understand the point isn't to limit kids access...it's to create detailed ID records for all people over the age limit.

Look at trump's usa and their treatment of Francesca Albanese as a perfect example of how personal data can be misused to target an individual.

People say 'our government won't do this', and yes, they may be right....but what about a future one?

That's where all this is heading 😔.

@robriley @Em0nM4stodon
That's such a naive view to be honest. Instead of banning the use of addictive gaslighting algorithms by the large corpos and forcing them to moderate effectively, we are choosing to do damage by excluding young people from sometimes the last safe spaces they have, creating a huge attack surface for hackers, and giving governments a tool for mass surveillance and censorship. NOTHING about this legislation is a good idea. It's catastrophically dystopian.

@robriley @Em0nM4stodon
Instead of victim blaming the kids for being targeted by corpos, addicting them with predatory algorithms, we should blame the actual perpetrators: Meta, X, etc.

It's easy to kick down to an underrepresented group in politics. It's disrespectful and antidemocratic.

Plus, this was never about the children. This is about control. Surveillance. Tools for governments to control who is online. You just need one autocratic government (USA...) to use this to target dissidents

@Em0nM4stodon Don't these kids have parents? Shouldn't their parents be keeping them safe on the internet? Would these same people let their kids loose in a large city to roam all day and night without supervision?
@fiend_unpleasant @Em0nM4stodon WELL WE'LL...WE'LL...MAKE PEOPLE SHARE THEIR ID BEFORE GRANTING ACCESS TO STREETS! Sounds like a bright future, doesn't it?? /s
@fiend_unpleasant @Em0nM4stodon
Many do. When I worked in the police, 90% of my job was babysitting kids who were messingnabout on the street.

@fiend_unpleasant @Em0nM4stodon

It's not about the kids, it's about tracking every adult on the internet.

@SnowyCA @Em0nM4stodon you don't think pedophiles will find a way to use this to their advantage?

@fiend_unpleasant @Em0nM4stodon

Pardon me? Elaboration is needed.

edit: Children are at more risk from sexual predators when they are at home, than while online.

@SnowyCA @Em0nM4stodon OK. Pedo dev creates seemingly safe garbage app that has malware in it. Google et al let it into an app store because they do it 1000's of times a day. Pedo dev only activates malware on devices reporting to be used by kids.

So not only is is bad for everyone, it does nothing to protect kids. I believe there is a group using this as a long con to hurt children.

Also they are at more risk at church than at home or online.

Alpha Male Martha Stewart 🍉🌈 These maassive, highly profitable companies should also be doing their part in actually moderating their platforms, or they should no longer have platforms.

Moderated social media on smaller websites is what many of us grew up with, and it is manageable. Facebook, Twitter and Reddit just don’t want to do the job, so they shouldn’t have the privilege of hosting such platforms. This is just an attempt to shielld them from their responsibilities to their users.

@kichae I almost missed this toot because I have all mentions of twitter filtered as "possible child porn" because it is the largest child porn creation and dissemination website on the planet.

That being said, This is absolutely one head of the hydra that is working to ruin the web, democracy, the environment, etm

Sites that were run by people not corps were safer, and more fun.But you know know capitalism or something.

@fiend_unpleasant @Em0nM4stodon Part of the "fun" facts: Some of those kids have abusive parents and the social media networks are part of the resources they use to cope or to obtain help.

It's worth remembering that the majority of child abuse, sexual or not, happens in the family or other close acquaintances.

> Would these same people let their kids loose in a large city to roam all day and night without supervision?

In many cases that would actually be safer for the kid.

@Em0nM4stodon

oh well, I suppose we knew this fight was on the political horizon, eh?
Watch as Carney bends the knee.

@SnowyCA This kind of authoritarian policies are to be expected coming from a Conservative leader. Yes, I said Conservative, on purpose.

@Em0nM4stodon
You will get no arguments from me about that point!

edited for clarity
(sorry--I really shouldn't type and at the same time, talk about something else IRL)

@Em0nM4stodon already sent an email to both my MP’s and PM’s offices, but no replies (as expected). I’m going to follow up with another one asking pointed questions. This collection of anti-age verification resources : https://www.eff.org/issues/age-verification might come handy.
Age Verification and Age Gating: Resource Hub

Age verification (or age-gating) laws generally require online services to check, estimate, or verify all users’ ages—often through invasive tools like ID checks, biometric scans, or other dubious “age estimation” methods—before granting them access to certain online content or services.  Governments in the U.S. and around the world are increasingly adopting these restrictive measures in the name of protecting children online. But in practice, these systems create dangerous new forms of surveillance, censorship, and exclusion.  Technologically, the age verification process can take many forms: collection and analysis of government ID, biometric scans, algorithmic or AI-based behavioral or user monitoring, digital ID, the list goes on. But no matter the method, every system demands users hand over sensitive and immutable personal information that links their offline identity to their online activity. Once that valuable data is collected, it can easily be leaked, hacked, or misused. (Indeed, we’ve already seen several breaches of age verification providers.) EFF has long warned against age-gating the internet. Age verification technology itself is often inaccurate and privacy-invasive. These restrictive mandates strike at the foundation of the free and open internet. They are tools of censorship, used to block people from viewing or sharing information that the government deems “harmful” or “offensive.” And they create surveillance systems that critically undermine online privacy, chill access to vital online communities and resources, and burden the expressive rights of adults and young people alike. EFF.org/Age: A Resource to Empower Users Age-gating mandates are reshaping the internet in ways that are invasive, dangerous, and deeply unnecessary. But users are not powerless! We can challenge these laws, protect our digital rights, and build a safer digital world for all internet users, no matter their ages. This resource hub is here to help—so explore, share, and join us in the fight for a better internet.

Electronic Frontier Foundation
@wbftw This is excellent! Thank you so much! 🙌✨

@Em0nM4stodon

Quebec MP Rachel Bendayan, who presented the idea to her caucus and championed it at the convention, said <strike>prolonged</strike> <bold>any</b> social media use can be harmful to the mental health of <strike>young</strike> Canadians.

There, fixed that for ya.

@barbra Indeed. The solution is to require platforms to be safer, less addictive, and more transparent for everyone. A ban for teens solves nothing once they reach 17 years old.

@Em0nM4stodon

Doesn't affect me. I am here as an experiment, because I like Vivaldi's "our browser will never have AI" stance.

Don't post anywhere else, so any requirement that I "prove I'm an adult" anywhere and I'm gone. I had created a discord account thinking I would use it for MSFS (not the piece of crap MSFS2024) and x-plane. Never used it, deleted it the day they made noises about needing to upload government D to a 3rd party "verification service" that already had data leaks.

I can live without posting anywhere except my own websites. And I won't be doing age verification. "Take me to court." If Fakebook's and Google's AI is so powerful, why aren't they using it to get rid of the scammers on their own platforms (the answer is obvious - it's all a scam).

Maroon isn't immune to scammers, grifters, people who get off being white knights for others who can defend themselves, blatant commercial advertising promoting crap, etc. And of course, not being in the US, I won't apply any US laws.

It's a shame, but I'm ambivalent about the fediverse. It may not be possible to keep bad actors out as it grows.

@Em0nM4stodon

Bad idea...

https://bobbyhiltz.com/posts/2025/11/call-off-your-dogs/

Regulate the tech companies instead

Call Off Your Dogs | BobbyHiltz.com

This post discusses recent laws banning social media for adolescents

@bbbhltz Excellent post!

@Em0nM4stodon

so far the gatekeep I’ve been seeing used as of late is give us your credit card number before you can proceed to prove you’re an adult, which is ridiculous

I just recently did not sign up for ghost as an adult to try it out because they demanded my card upfront

@Em0nM4stodon Ban addictive algorithms for everyone
@mHtt @Em0nM4stodon Probably would be difficult to enforce the ban in a meaningful way, as a practical solution:
* introduce mandatory independent moderation, with rates and penalties increasing with the size of the platform (goal: force decentralization and therefore reduce the reach, and as a result make attention harvesting less effective)
* ban surveillance advertising (might be doable, seeing that the industry blatantly violates every privacy legislation, including GDPR).

@wbftw @Em0nM4stodon

Sure also, when a database is queried,: only return the exact string with no 'suggestions'. in fact no suggestions ever at all.

@Em0nM4stodon just so everyone understands how serious this is:

The largest adult / alternative lifestyle / BDSM platform is hosted in Canada. 12.6 million global users.

It would be forced to comply and begin deanonymization of its entire user base.

@Em0nM4stodon
Somebody's off shore bank account just got thicker.
@Em0nM4stodon
Why regulate what should be boycotted? Age verification can't be applied to platforms that have stopped existing because everyone started ignoring them...
If Canada does as Australia does, it won't actually ban social media for children, but adtech, which is at best quasi-social. Australian children are still welcome to use social media, you know: all the platforms in the fediverse.

@Em0nM4stodon

Right now there is no simple actionable info in this toot. Please add to the toot that people can look up the contact details for their federal MP in seconds by putting their zip code in here:
https://www.ourcommons.ca/members/en

Thanks

Find Members of Parliament - Members of Parliament - House of Commons of Canada

Find Members of Parliament - Members of Parliament - House of Commons of Canada

@Em0nM4stodon So rather than force the companies to provide safe environments we will turn them into adult walled gardens?

I can’t think of a more effective way to dissociate children and adults. Terrible idea.