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øh... 🤣

@bitchboss ØMG is deeper than i thought 😆

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It's also a normal letter in some languages...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%98

Ø - Wikipedia

@bitchboss and because of standards relating to usage of this symbol, manufacturers generally do not slash their zeros anymore. part of ASME Y14.5

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Back in the stone age (1978-ish), I had to submit my code to a punch-card operator. I had to explicitly state at the top of every sheet that 'slashed' meant 'zero' and 'unslashed' meant 'alpha' 🙂

@bytebro and what was alpha used for? 😮

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You know what I mean. Alphabetical letter O as opposed to a numerical '0'.

Or did I miss a funny? Hey ho...

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It could be the Greek letter alpha
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@ozzelot @bytebro @tlayoyo yeah I understood that and was very confused
@ozzelot @bytebro @tlayoyo Now I’m wondering how people wrote APL on punched cards. (It’s entirely possible the answer is “They didn’t”, of course.)

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I've 'seen' APL, but never written it. I truly have no idea how that was done - perhaps weird character encoding? Oh Goddess, another rabbit-hole to jump down later!

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Writing code in the beginning of the 70s slashed O was zero, then Z and 7 had a horizontal line through them. The punch card team knew exactly what these meant.

@tiggy @bytebro @tlayoyo writing by hand in the 70s in Germany was taught exactly so. 7 still has it to distinguish it from 1 (German 1kept always the hook to distinguish it from I), in Z it's less common now, but I can't unlearn it.
@mbletmathe @tiggy @bytebro @tlayoyo Having moved to Canada from Germany, I have difficulty unlearning adding the hook to the 1 because it's mistaken for a 7 here.

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Oh that's always been a thing, which is why the 'seven' was 'crossed', and the 'one' was not. Kind of the same as the 'zed' or 'zee' which would be 'crossed', and 'two', which was not.

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@bytebro @mbletmathe @tiggy @tlayoyo I had no problems stopping to cross the seven though. That just looks strange and old fashion.

@tiggy @bytebro @tlayoyo I was finally broken of my slashed zeros habit in calculus ('cause it looks like theta, θ).

But I will always slash my 7's and z's.

@tiggy @bytebro @tlayoyo I started writing that way in the 80s when I redesigned my handwriting one summer, and I still do today.

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ICL Computer punch card operators expected slashed Oh O Ø, but other computer system operators (reading handwritten coding sheets) assumed it was a slashed zero 0. I can type Ø (The Scandi letter) on Linux but not slashed zero, though there may be a method.

The ICL made somewhat more sense as the Ø Character existed before computers, Except it's a Runic / Nordic / Scandi O, not the English O with a slash.

The Wikipedia disambiguation is 100% correct!

And why there was no confusion between I and 1? 👀 i to this date struggle more with this two characters

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or capital I and small l on sans.
The 1, I and l are not ambiguous in many hand scripts. The 1 in some countries is like a closed up 7 and 7 often has a stroke. The l would have a slight tail.

The default sans-serif fonts are terrible.

Though many typewriters, especially portable. had no 0 and 1. Also the " and ' was invented for typewriters. You could create characters by backspace and overprint and this was on Wordstar etc.

@raymaccarthy @tlayoyo yeah, sans-serif is overrated and 90% of its use is misuse; on the laptop I apply generous userContent.css fixes, on the smartphone I’m SOL

@tlayoyo imagine the chaos back in the day if you needed to type out your alphanumeric password one of these typewriters.

https://www.daskeyboard.com/blog/why-did-old-typewriters-not-have-a-number-one-key/

Why did old typewriters not have a number one key? - Das Keyboard Mechanical Keyboard Blog

When looking at old typewriters, you’ll notice the key for number one is missing. It’s not because someone took it out or because it broke. Here is another one: So did you find out why the one key is missing? Here is the answer: the number one key was not implemented by design. Instead, the...

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@tlayoyo @raymaccarthy slashed oh (zero) is a font stylistic choice; slashed letter o is a different letter from the unslashed letter o and pronounced higher (like german ö)
@tlayoyo BRB making a HØ Train Set
@tlayoyo This is my entire life.

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I've never seen the second thing in the wild. Have you?

Ah. It was briefly a thing for IBM computers prior to the 1970s.

@tlayoyo *chuckles in Nørwegian*
@tlayoyo We should slash all letters to make them more distinguished.

@tlayoyo No love for the empty set ∅? How sad :-P

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Null_sign

Null sign - Wikipedia

@tlayoyo @helvick ⃠ amateurs, the lot of ye.

@tlayoyo I highly doubt that slashed O is actually "used to distinguish it from 0 (zero)", slashed O is used in some languages including Norwegian and Danish… Looks like someone came up with some fake reason why slashed O exists…

It's true that slashed 0 (zero) has been made up to distinguish it from the letter O… The other way around sounds like some random bullshit…

@tlayoyo @devnull I had a Fortran textbook that slashed the letter O, and not the numeral zero. Late 70s maybe, or early 80s.
@tlayoyo I have a dream : 0 and O with the same code!
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Phase reversal icon in Reaper.
@tlayoyo lmaø - ø is also the symbol for an empty set in math!

@tlayoyo And one more to the mix.

I remember getting grief and my grade being reduced by a teaching assistant at university when I used a slashed zero as I'd done for some time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Null_sign

Null sign - Wikipedia

@tlayoyo I'm sure that's working out great

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Øyh... Føkk åff ænd stopp bullying my letters! 😅

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Btw... last week I worked at av event sponsored by Monster

Or "Mønster" as it says in the logo...

Which, in Norwegian, is what we call it when you're knitting something with a nice pattern on it 🙃

(Also, if that pattern is made of monsters, it would be a monster-mønster) 😎

@baardhaveland @tlayoyo and a very well-behaved monster would be a mønstermonster
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Kainda how The StargÅate logo always made me pronounce it mentally as Stargoat, with a swedish accent.
@ftg @baardhaveland @tlayoyo Thanks for the mental image of Stargoat :)

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Technically.... the word "gåte" means riddle, while "står" means standing. (Pretty much the same in Dk/Se/No)

So, yeah... "Står Gåte" translated from Norwegian to English would be "Standing Riddle"

Sorry for ruining the show... The original movie was better anyway! 😁

@baardhaveland @ftg @tlayoyo I liked all the shows, in one way or another. I even liked universe, after a while. But that one is better suited for binging.