@stalbaum @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan

why would i demand loyalty to corporatist democrats i despise?

i am a leftist. i want the left to win in the usa

we do that by taking over the democratic party

but we can't do that

why?

because of losers who don't vote

and losers who vote 3rd party

do you understand me now?

or do you want to continue immature vibing with lies and ignorance denying the reality of a 3rd party vote in an FPTP voting system:

you help MAGA win

@stalbaum @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan

you're not my ally

you're an ally of MAGA

please listen carefully:

in an FPTP voting system the existence of a 3rd party can only act as a spoiler. which means when you steal leftists away from the democrats, the democrats get less votes

thus, you ensure MAGA wins

do you understand?

it's not my feelings

it's hard cold math

the greens in ranked choice are wonderful

*i want that*

but now, in FPTP?

the greens are rat poison

@stalbaum @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan

please watch. the title is just edgy, it's democracy positive

it described FPTP

why ranked choice is better

it describes better systems

i go with ranked choice because it has a head of steam in the usa

i want you to vote your conscience free and clear

to say "fuck that" to dreary strategy and the sucky dems

but you can't as long as we are FPTP

PLEASE:

educate yourself

stop helping MAGA with 3rd party

https://youtu.be/qf7ws2DF-zk

@JYeo18 @stalbaum @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan

imagine where we would be in this country if american voters understood their fucking voting system

it sucks

but the ignorance, indolence, and outright malice from jill stein tankie fascists is killing us as bad as outright MAGA

@stalbaum @JYeo18 @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan

"Democrats are against any change"

true, many dems

many not

rcv is creeping in here and there

but in 2024, the GOP made a blanket ban on it:

https://www.npr.org/2024/06/05/nx-s1-4969563/ranked-choice-voting-bans

therefore, the way forward to rcv is only with the dems now

we get those that support rcv in the primaries

so you can vote green to your heart's content

but we won't get there if greens, who support MAGA, in FPTP, stop us

do you understand you stupid ass?

@stalbaum @JYeo18 @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan

you support harris and AOC

so why are you like an antivaxxer who continues with an ignorant false belief in spite of extremely obvious real world fact

3rd party in FPTP divides the left and helps MAGA win

right?

you don't care?

so just sort of a preening smug arrogant asshole who is fine with fascism?

and is it bullying to accurately identify a debilitating malicious self-deception you suffer from that hurts all of us?

@stalbaum @JYeo18 @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan

i completely understand what you represent. MAGA does fascism and then uncaring assholes "on the left" (they're not really, they're fake) don't vote or vote 3rd party, not knowing or not caring this helps fascism

because you're entitled

your precious self-regard and precious feelings are more important than trans people, immigrants, womens rights, climate change, health care, etc

emotional immaturity over reason and strategy

@stalbaum @JYeo18 @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan

democrats fucking suck. you don't understand me at all

you vote dem because you don't want fascism

you don't understand or care 3rd party divides the left vote and helps MAGA win

ignorance and selfishness

your precious dear feelings are more important than all the damage trump is doing. so you're an entitled asshole

we replace centrists by voting in the primaries. we don't expect them to magically become left like a moron

@stalbaum @JYeo18 @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan

with this post i can only wonder if you are an actual MAGA troll

i think that, based on your posts, that you're intelligent enough to understand that a 3rd party vote in an FPTP voting system divides the left to deliver MAGA wins

but what's notable is how you carefully ignore the point

is it because you realize it and you know that you're a selfish entitled asshole and don't want to admit it?

do you enjoy helping fascism?

@stalbaum @JYeo18 @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan

when i argue with antivaxxers i notice they endlessly avoid a simple aspect of reality, and continue babbling on and on with weak posturing and assorted bullshit instead

USA 3rd party voters, like antivaxxers, damage their society

by promoting fascism/ spreading disease

my theory is this:

it is a point of ignorance that is important to their identity

they are unwilling to admit their fault

what do you think of my theory

@stalbaum @JYeo18 @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan

i don't think you're antivaxx

i think that, like an antivaxxer, you deny a simple reality that is painful to your sense of identity: pride in being a green

so when someone tells you that in an FPTP voting system, a left 3rd party divides the left vote, helping right wing fascism win, it hurts your identity, so you deny the truth ignorantly

just as antivaxxers do

it's a debilitating flaw

and it makes you quite malicious

@stalbaum @JYeo18 @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan

right

me: "a left 3rd party vote in an FPTP voting system divides the left vote and helps right wing fascism win"

you: {insert weak posturing here}

long after this pathetic exchange is over, you're still going to have to face what i'm saying. because it's not about interpersonal nonsense, it's about reality. reality never goes away

or continue being entitled and ignorant because of your precious vanity. harming your society

@stalbaum @JYeo18 @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan

a left 3rd party vote in an FPTP voting system divides the left vote and helps right wing fascism win

do you enjoy that?

or is the endless posturing bullshit in your vain effort to ignore obvious reality merely an aspect of your preening entitled arrogance and ignorance while you maliciously damage your society?

@stalbaum
And you missed being called out for a citation. The Green party lost 100% of the state and federal races in which they had a nominee, and only won 50 county and local races (nationwide) in 2024. They presently hold zero state or federal seats. They only ever had eight statewide offices, ever (cumulative), and only 4 of them were elected as a Green nominee.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Green_politicians_who_have_held_office_in_the_United_States

@benroyce @JYeo18 @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan

@stalbaum @baronvonj @JYeo18 @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant

ah

"BoTh SiDeS tHe SaMe"

there is no greater statement of being a pathetic fucking moron in existence

the democrats suck

but to think of them as a "uniparty" with fascist GOP is only you signaling what an unserious joke you are

good god you're a toxic piece of shit

helping fascism and not even knowing or caring

@stalbaum @baronvonj @JYeo18 @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant

is it bullying to call out the toxic piece of shit helping to get MAGA elected? should i be polite when dealing with morons who support MAGA and don't care or don't know?

let me tell you something you might not have realized:

a left 3rd party vote in an FPTP voting system divides the left vote and helps right wing fascism win

do you understand?

do you read?

do you think?

@stalbaum @baronvonj @JYeo18 @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant

Folks like me?

You mean people who realize a left 3rd party vote in an FPTP voting system divides the left vote and helps right wing fascism win?

So you're bragging you've been a moron since the days of usenet newsgroups?

Oh I'm so deeply sorry, I'm "bullying"

I'll just let you spread your lies to help elect fascists. How dare I be mad at that. I'm so wrong. We're supposed to respect ignorant trolls helping MAGA bigots. I see. Mmm

@stalbaum @baronvonj @JYeo18 @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant

Your environmental awareness is admirable

Your political intelligence is execrable

Hey I have an amazing realization for you you might not have heard me say yet:

A left 3rd party vote in an FPTP voting system divides the left vote and helps right wing fascism win

Does it ever enter your thick fucking skull? The fucking obvious? Or does your ego and fragile sense of identity trump (pun intended) the reality of you helping fascism?

@benroyce @baronvonj @JYeo18 @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant "A left 3rd party vote in an FPTP voting system divides the left vote and helps right wing fascism win."

My party opposes fascism. Your fallacy of thought here is something I have laid out clearly in this long thread. We are a different party with actually very different politics and we don't stand under your tent for a head pet. We are a long-game minority party. #Democrats are absolutely opposed to PR yet Democrats explain PR to us 🤣!

@stalbaum @baronvonj @JYeo18 @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant

so what i wrote is about math

you respond with ineffectual posturing, saying nothing of any use, and avoiding the simple math

so you don't care about reality, you don't care about fighting fascism, you care about vibing like an edgelord, while helping fascism

that's you

that's your entire political identity

@benroyce @stalbaum @baronvonj @JYeo18 @suzannealdrich
With 3 parties, the 3rd party takes votes from whichever side it's on. In a parliamentary system parties can cooperate to govern but in the US 2 party system that isn't possible. That's why a 3rd party is bad, Jill Stein is a traitor who dines with war criminal Putin.

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@stalbaum @Oldfartrant @baronvonj @JYeo18 @suzannealdrich

But you don't get it

If you got it you would realize the only effect of your smarmy vibing for 3rd party in FPTP is to help MAGA win

That's a cold hard truth you dislike, so you just ignore it

So you're an immature asshole happy to help MAGA win and too fucking stupid and entitled to understand that is all you represent