@stalbaum @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan

ok, i'll check in on reality for you:

the democrats were bad on the environment at one point, so you're fine with ignoring the reality of an FPTP voting system and voting green and handing our country to fascists

because of your precious fee fees

you prioritize your feelings over the USA becoming fascist

you're a selfish, MAGA supporting piece of shit

you don't support MAGA in words, but you do in action

how'd i do?

@benroyce @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan well, do you know how #Trump treats our allies, as if Britain and Spain and France are his vassals. Remember how mad he was that his vassals would not do his bidding? That is you today, that is how you are doing. You are telling an ally that you are fine without them. But I'm the #maga? Tell me more, daddy! Should I go down on you now or make you a sammich?

@stalbaum @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan

Trump is in power partly because of nonvoters and 3rd party voters

I don't like that, but that's the cold hard reality of our stupid voting system

You won't accept reality, because you value your feelings and ignorance over what we must do to fight fascism. You're selfish, you're entitled, and you work hard for MAGA. You don't understand how, because you're ignorant. Or you don't care, because you're fine with fascism

@benroyce @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan ok captain, you are the reality police just like Donald Trump. So do you like mayo with that? Oh, should I ask another of your allies to get that for you boss?

@stalbaum @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan

when you write that pile of incoherent middle school kid vibing, do you feel that it protects you from the reality that your actions support trump and fascism?

what other aspects of reality do you think you successfully block out with middle school edgelord word salad?

@benroyce @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan I think it is very clear, you demand loyalty. Just like a #maga. Part of the failing of the #Democratic party is this $#!++!&9 on allies. But I will say it again, it is a very good day for us #greens. That a #democrat is bitching and demanding compliance tells us a lot about why so many in this country are so lukewarm about you. We are not here to serve you, we are here to join with you when it is in our interest. I think you get it now

@stalbaum @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan

why would i demand loyalty to corporatist democrats i despise?

i am a leftist. i want the left to win in the usa

we do that by taking over the democratic party

but we can't do that

why?

because of losers who don't vote

and losers who vote 3rd party

do you understand me now?

or do you want to continue immature vibing with lies and ignorance denying the reality of a 3rd party vote in an FPTP voting system:

you help MAGA win

@benroyce @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan and Spain won't help #maga because they are, Spain. I am not sure you are picking up what I am laying down here, but in case it wasn't clear, #greens are not your subsidiary. We are happy to be allies where we can, allyship is something we have actually thought through:-) So call me names if you like, you are obviously building something 😂

@stalbaum @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan

you're not my ally

you're an ally of MAGA

please listen carefully:

in an FPTP voting system the existence of a 3rd party can only act as a spoiler. which means when you steal leftists away from the democrats, the democrats get less votes

thus, you ensure MAGA wins

do you understand?

it's not my feelings

it's hard cold math

the greens in ranked choice are wonderful

*i want that*

but now, in FPTP?

the greens are rat poison

@stalbaum @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan

please watch. the title is just edgy, it's democracy positive

it described FPTP

why ranked choice is better

it describes better systems

i go with ranked choice because it has a head of steam in the usa

i want you to vote your conscience free and clear

to say "fuck that" to dreary strategy and the sucky dems

but you can't as long as we are FPTP

PLEASE:

educate yourself

stop helping MAGA with 3rd party

https://youtu.be/qf7ws2DF-zk

Why Democracy Is Mathematically Impossible

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@benroyce @stalbaum @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan 'Top Two' primaries are the worst - if 2 Rs evenly split 40%, while 6 others evenly split 60% you get 2 minority Rs going to the General. This came within a few votes of happening in WA in 2024 for Gov and another state-wide office. The Dems who squeaked thru won the general with comfortable margins.

@JYeo18 @stalbaum @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan

imagine where we would be in this country if american voters understood their fucking voting system

it sucks

but the ignorance, indolence, and outright malice from jill stein tankie fascists is killing us as bad as outright MAGA

@benroyce @JYeo18 @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan this is exactly the arrogant dip$#!++3?/ that is killing #democrats. Get back to me when the #Dems lift a finger to change the Constitution to change it. I mean my poor man, you are trying to explain proportional representation to a #green, think a little! Of course Democrats are against any change that would allow third parties in. In California, you (incompetently) tried to keep us off the ballot! I never looked back. 1989!

@stalbaum @JYeo18 @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan

"Democrats are against any change"

true, many dems

many not

rcv is creeping in here and there

but in 2024, the GOP made a blanket ban on it:

https://www.npr.org/2024/06/05/nx-s1-4969563/ranked-choice-voting-bans

therefore, the way forward to rcv is only with the dems now

we get those that support rcv in the primaries

so you can vote green to your heart's content

but we won't get there if greens, who support MAGA, in FPTP, stop us

do you understand you stupid ass?

@benroyce @JYeo18 @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan so I have been crushing bullies since nntp, son, you are up against it. I am getting inspired to work for the green candidate that we will run against (probably) governor wine cave. I sent my $ and vote to Kamala last time, a pol I deeply respect and have voted for as atty general and senator. So if the party has common sense to run an AOC, I am with you. Otherwise I will be supporting the 💚, and thinking of you ❤️ of course!

@stalbaum @JYeo18 @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan

you support harris and AOC

so why are you like an antivaxxer who continues with an ignorant false belief in spite of extremely obvious real world fact

3rd party in FPTP divides the left and helps MAGA win

right?

you don't care?

so just sort of a preening smug arrogant asshole who is fine with fascism?

and is it bullying to accurately identify a debilitating malicious self-deception you suffer from that hurts all of us?

@benroyce @JYeo18 @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan You are not really up to this, I can explain why with great clarity. But I don't think you will be able to see it. It is why #Trump is so grumpy these days, bullies and solipsists are like that when the world does not conform to their gaslighting and demands. But here it is: I don't typically vote for your candidates because they are losers and I am a #green. I would have voted for Bernie, but YOUR party had other ideas. See it?

@stalbaum @JYeo18 @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan

i completely understand what you represent. MAGA does fascism and then uncaring assholes "on the left" (they're not really, they're fake) don't vote or vote 3rd party, not knowing or not caring this helps fascism

because you're entitled

your precious self-regard and precious feelings are more important than trans people, immigrants, womens rights, climate change, health care, etc

emotional immaturity over reason and strategy

@benroyce @JYeo18 @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan Oh dear, he wants to play. So we are seeing here a lot of the reasons that #democrats lose. It is a party that is going to give you lectures, tell you how you have to stand under their $#!+ umbrella and smile. Hard no! Nobody stands with the #Democrats to feel like a winner! In fact, as I said long ago in this thread, the #idiocracy implemented by the #uniparty is in some tragic ways working out promising for #greens. Be better!

@stalbaum @JYeo18 @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan

democrats fucking suck. you don't understand me at all

you vote dem because you don't want fascism

you don't understand or care 3rd party divides the left vote and helps MAGA win

ignorance and selfishness

your precious dear feelings are more important than all the damage trump is doing. so you're an entitled asshole

we replace centrists by voting in the primaries. we don't expect them to magically become left like a moron

@benroyce @JYeo18 @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan you telling me what I want again, daddy? ❤️ Let me try to help you with something. Look at younger voters. You worry about greens withholding our vote? (We will, btw if the Dems primary goes sideways again, I think that much is dawning on you...) Well, do a little polling and see if the youngers are coming out for a squish. They have nothing, so they know they can outlive Chuck Schumer and #trump. They are de facto, greens! #real

@stalbaum @JYeo18 @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan

with this post i can only wonder if you are an actual MAGA troll

i think that, based on your posts, that you're intelligent enough to understand that a 3rd party vote in an FPTP voting system divides the left to deliver MAGA wins

but what's notable is how you carefully ignore the point

is it because you realize it and you know that you're a selfish entitled asshole and don't want to admit it?

do you enjoy helping fascism?

@benroyce @JYeo18 @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan Still helping you clarify. I don't owe you any answer to any of your inane bullying. I'm just here to call out, lay waste, and like I said I've been dropping chuds since the days of network news. The only thing bullies get from me is a bloody nose, I've always been like this, and frankly I enjoy it. You know what they say about getting in a wrestling match with a pig, you both get muddy and the pig likes it. Here for you bub!

@stalbaum @JYeo18 @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan

when i argue with antivaxxers i notice they endlessly avoid a simple aspect of reality, and continue babbling on and on with weak posturing and assorted bullshit instead

USA 3rd party voters, like antivaxxers, damage their society

by promoting fascism/ spreading disease

my theory is this:

it is a point of ignorance that is important to their identity

they are unwilling to admit their fault

what do you think of my theory

@benroyce @JYeo18 @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan you have 100% imagined that I am antivaxx, again the strange solipsism. We are at a competence level here of having to explain what a protest vote is? Do you work Ben? Have gainful employment that involves some basic capacities in terms of language and comprehension? Because if this is really not fair, I am still going to raise flags about your BS up in here, but if you are intellectually disabled or something, I can teach you.

@stalbaum @JYeo18 @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan

i don't think you're antivaxx

i think that, like an antivaxxer, you deny a simple reality that is painful to your sense of identity: pride in being a green

so when someone tells you that in an FPTP voting system, a left 3rd party divides the left vote, helping right wing fascism win, it hurts your identity, so you deny the truth ignorantly

just as antivaxxers do

it's a debilitating flaw

and it makes you quite malicious

@benroyce @JYeo18 @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan Just to be sure, out of concern for your health, are you in any way responsible for the care of children? I don't know you personally but am recognizing some signs of concern here. Maybe others in the thread know you personally? I know you are not an #AI, AIs are in no way this disorganized in thought or so myopic. Let me know if you want to study up on what a protest vote is, that may help conceptually with your Stein trauma.

@stalbaum @JYeo18 @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan

right

me: "a left 3rd party vote in an FPTP voting system divides the left vote and helps right wing fascism win"

you: {insert weak posturing here}

long after this pathetic exchange is over, you're still going to have to face what i'm saying. because it's not about interpersonal nonsense, it's about reality. reality never goes away

or continue being entitled and ignorant because of your precious vanity. harming your society

@benroyce @JYeo18 @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan yeah, I'm not learning anything that I need to face from you. I mean, there is bullying and then there is incoherence, again which is why we all know you are not an AI. All I can see is a human struggling with the fact that others are not the same as them, a kind of deep sociopathy. It is OK to seek help for this Ben.

@stalbaum @JYeo18 @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan

a left 3rd party vote in an FPTP voting system divides the left vote and helps right wing fascism win

do you enjoy that?

or is the endless posturing bullshit in your vain effort to ignore obvious reality merely an aspect of your preening entitled arrogance and ignorance while you maliciously damage your society?

@benroyce @JYeo18 @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan ah but you missed it again, #greens are winning. Literally where my comment started. While #democrats are panicking about the oil shock, we live in a small house w/o the evils of air conditioning or clothes dryers. Our #bolt costs $10 to $12 to charge. While #dems rightfully $#!+ themselves about being blamed for #trump's disasterous adventure in #Iran capitulation, I'ma canning food:-) We can go table for #greens! And will.

@stalbaum
And you missed being called out for a citation. The Green party lost 100% of the state and federal races in which they had a nominee, and only won 50 county and local races (nationwide) in 2024. They presently hold zero state or federal seats. They only ever had eight statewide offices, ever (cumulative), and only 4 of them were elected as a Green nominee.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Green_politicians_who_have_held_office_in_the_United_States

@benroyce @JYeo18 @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan

List of Green politicians who have held office in the United States - Wikipedia

@baronvonj @benroyce @JYeo18 @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan define winning much? I am watching the destructive Ouroboros of the #uniparty eat itself. And all I got was the likely end of the oil/energy era. (A fair shot at it anyway, we should be using oil for materials and meds...) Take what I can get:-) And if governor wine cave loses by two points, I am going to be feeling, welp. Now if it is AOC, my party will very probably not run anyone. Better outcome, but a #dem decision not mine.

@stalbaum @baronvonj @JYeo18 @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant

ah

"BoTh SiDeS tHe SaMe"

there is no greater statement of being a pathetic fucking moron in existence

the democrats suck

but to think of them as a "uniparty" with fascist GOP is only you signaling what an unserious joke you are

good god you're a toxic piece of shit

helping fascism and not even knowing or caring

@benroyce @baronvonj @JYeo18 @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant probably a sign the bully is slumping away? The night is young? No? On another note, not my job to operate your mute and or block buttons. I honestly can't help you, as I have never used these:-) Nor would I, I am comfortable with free speech.

@stalbaum @baronvonj @JYeo18 @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant

is it bullying to call out the toxic piece of shit helping to get MAGA elected? should i be polite when dealing with morons who support MAGA and don't care or don't know?

let me tell you something you might not have realized:

a left 3rd party vote in an FPTP voting system divides the left vote and helps right wing fascism win

do you understand?

do you read?

do you think?

@benroyce @baronvonj @JYeo18 @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant idk man, I'm the one up in here showing respect and concern for your humanity while you call me a pos 😂 Who is the bully? Like I said, been working folks like you with immense skill and patience since nntp. I've got a whole trophy room.

@stalbaum @baronvonj @JYeo18 @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant

Folks like me?

You mean people who realize a left 3rd party vote in an FPTP voting system divides the left vote and helps right wing fascism win?

So you're bragging you've been a moron since the days of usenet newsgroups?

Oh I'm so deeply sorry, I'm "bullying"

I'll just let you spread your lies to help elect fascists. How dare I be mad at that. I'm so wrong. We're supposed to respect ignorant trolls helping MAGA bigots. I see. Mmm

@benroyce @baronvonj @JYeo18 @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant Good conversation! Hey off to sleep now but for certain let's pick this up in the morning? But as a nighttime tip for climate change, set your thermostat on either 55 or 85, whichever uses less energy given cold or hot weather. If it is cold you can be like the great Democrat Jimmy Carter and wear a sweater.

@stalbaum @baronvonj @JYeo18 @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant

Your environmental awareness is admirable

Your political intelligence is execrable

Hey I have an amazing realization for you you might not have heard me say yet:

A left 3rd party vote in an FPTP voting system divides the left vote and helps right wing fascism win

Does it ever enter your thick fucking skull? The fucking obvious? Or does your ego and fragile sense of identity trump (pun intended) the reality of you helping fascism?

@benroyce @baronvonj @JYeo18 @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant "A left 3rd party vote in an FPTP voting system divides the left vote and helps right wing fascism win."

My party opposes fascism. Your fallacy of thought here is something I have laid out clearly in this long thread. We are a different party with actually very different politics and we don't stand under your tent for a head pet. We are a long-game minority party. #Democrats are absolutely opposed to PR yet Democrats explain PR to us 🤣!

@stalbaum @baronvonj @JYeo18 @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant

so what i wrote is about math

you respond with ineffectual posturing, saying nothing of any use, and avoiding the simple math

so you don't care about reality, you don't care about fighting fascism, you care about vibing like an edgelord, while helping fascism

that's you

that's your entire political identity

@benroyce @stalbaum @baronvonj @JYeo18 @suzannealdrich
With 3 parties, the 3rd party takes votes from whichever side it's on. In a parliamentary system parties can cooperate to govern but in the US 2 party system that isn't possible. That's why a 3rd party is bad, Jill Stein is a traitor who dines with war criminal Putin.

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@Oldfartrant @baronvonj @JYeo18 @suzannealdrich

it's clear @stalbaum does not care

as long as they get to act like a 14 year old edgelord vibing, they are fine with helping fascism

in some ways they are worse than MAGA

while MAGA is prideful ignorance and bigotry working for fascism, they are honestly just this malicious

people like @ stalbaum meanwhile pretend to be on the side of good, while helping fascism, and gloating about their deceit

what a fucking entitled asshole