@tael Respectfully, we're looking at very different feeds. I assume you've heard of the reply guys getting in peoples mentions telling people off for not doing alt text, or content warnings? THAT is why good people are bouncing and that is exactly why it *is* an echo chamber. If you don't conform to these rules, instead of, you know, just not following them, or blocking them, or hell, defederating their server (all of which I would be fine with) people feel so privileged that they get in these new comers face and tell them "you're doing it wrong".

We should be encouraging communities that we don't agree with. This isn't "the nazi bar" story. There ISNT a single bar! It's the "you can't come into MY bar" story. That's what federation was built for. Why is that so hard for people to live with?

@scottjenson
Not using AT's and CW's is “using it wrong”, if you know what those are for.

Newcomers don't have that knowledge and it's not always a part of the written rules, as if every newcomer had read them.

I'm kind of baffled that you, as an advisor on Mastodon's product strategy, are fazed by people correcting this, instead of advocating on how to alleviate that.

@tael

@dzwiedziu @scottjenson @tael

In fact, here's some free ideas that could decrease this friction:

1. Include explanation of *what signal missing alt text sends* in UI warning about missing alt text. "Many people can't access this post without alt text. Posting without alt text signals a lack of respect to those communities. Use #/alt4me to ask for help with alt text." This would decrease posts which lack alt text out of ignorance, and fit those who persist it explains ahead of time why they get people reminding them about the issue.
2. (More technically challenging) For posts without alt text, maintain a counter per-user and display (in the alt text slot) "this is this user's Nth post without alt text" capping out at 1000 or something. Make sure to subtract when alt text gets edited in. This helps those who would reply with a reminder understand whether it's someone new who just doesn't know/understand, or whether it's someone who doesn't care. For those who don't care, you'd see much less falloff.

Harder to do similar with CW as it's not possible to know automatically when one was warranted. Then again I've very rarely seen direct CW-nagging.

By the way, do you know who I *do* see on the fediverse? Blind users and people dealing with various traumas. If you had a button that would instantly silence CW and alt-text nagging, guess who would leave? I half-understand that @scottjenson is unconsciously trolling at this point, fixed in his opinions and unwilling to listen to any of the criticism here so he's trying to form arguments that defend his own ego, but every change-to-others'-social-behaviors that he's asking for here is one that would directly make some portion of fedi users less comfortable, and he hasn't been willing to face the racism issue head-on, which is almost certainly a *much* bigger reason for leaving than anything he's mentioned.

The counter-point about echo chambers is spot-on here.

@tiotasram @dzwiedziu @scottjenson @tael

An image analyzing LLM that provides alt-text would be imminently useful all across the internet.

Is #LLM still bad when its used for #disability and #assistivetechnology?

@crankylinuxuser @tiotasram @dzwiedziu @scottjenson @tael

Listing things not in an image https://mastodon.social/@urlyman/116373375986994242

Speculating about things not in an image https://mastodon.social/@urlyman/116373334109155559 in the context of a ridiculously verbose description.

Generated by a machine that one cannot have a discussion with about fidelity because there is no mind or embodied sense of reality there but nonetheless deploys the first person. Seems like a bad idea

@urlyman
That is a chainsaw of edge cases.

@crankylinuxuser @tiotasram @scottjenson @tael